I dont get why everyone thinks Ellite is such a grind

[NW3]

I agree, it is not a grind unless you set out to make it one.

Too many restrict themselves to solo, treating the entire game like a single player experience; and for these players the emergent gaming, the social interactions are largely absent. They reduce the game to an exercise in instant gratification and complain when they don't get their way.

I agree; the worst of the grinding is mostly self-inflicted.

However, please don't lump all solo players together. I prefer a solo game. I don't want social interactions (for the most part). I'm not in it for instant gratification; I've flown to Beagle Point and back. That's months of effort. Also, I spend more time defending the game, than complaining, although I'm not a white knight. I acknowledge that ED has plenty of things that need to be fixed and improved. It's still a good game.

 

[seanguzzi]

 

[Vorxian]

There's no such thing as grind in ED? the same way as there's no such thing as grinding when one makes bread.


Everyone knows wheat simply turns itself to flour when you sit there for months on end fiddling with it.... only, you're not going to put much bread on the table doing that. And you simply cannot skip the grind and make bread directly from wheat grain.

What you have to do is :

Then you get:

Then you finally get to gather some other ingredients

then you can make your bread.

So... when someone says there's no grind in ED, it's a fallacy. Everything you do culminates into the equivalent of that lovely end goal of that loaf of bread... from that very first corn harvest to the careful kneading and mixing of all those special ingredients. So from engineers to bread. everything is a task, a grind to some.

The only real difference is... in the real world, we use one of these:

and in ED we're forced to do this:

AND THAT is the real issue.

After the first few hectares, it becomes old. Samey...... people lose the will to live. The fun is making the bread, the bit AFTER the wheat has been collected and ground up... not wearing yourself out getting to that point. There's simply noting, NOTHING!

that speeds up or makes the vast expanse of repetition simple to and fun to do in ED. We're forced to hand pick the lot due to inadequate tools & gamey reasons...

we're forced to then grind everything by hand......

then we finally get to the messy fun part.

Then we can rejoice.

You can tell it's 2.30am, and I have had too much beer!

Cheers!!

Epilogue:


mutter mutter mutter mutter... no such thing as grind! mutter mutter.... where'd i put that bottle opener?... mutter mutter; no grind... bah. psssssssssssst, cheers. glug glug.

 

[Andovar]

I don't think the question is if it is a grind or not, but if the grind is worth it?

The grind also seems very optional, like most things in this game.

If you want to grind for engineers or guardian weapons or rank locked ships, well, you can grind away.

If you don't want to grind you can fly your stock ships and have some fun ... or not.

Is it fun?

It depends. Very much. On you.

I had my fun. Now I don't see many new things after three years of good game. I think it's fine. Maybe I'll come back to the game after 6 or 12 months to see if there is anything new and compelling for me.

Grind? Yes. Necessary? No (except for competitive pvp if you are into this without an acutal multiplayer server backing this up)

My sentiments exactly.
It's just not currently engaging enough to keep me playing for any length of time.
I usually log in once every couple weeks, when I have the itch to fly a spaceship. Then after a couple hours, i'm satiated, for the next few weeks.

 

[DR Grandreefer]

There's no such thing as grind in ED? the same way as there's no such thing as grinding when one makes bread.


Everyone knows wheat simply turns itself to flour when you sit there for months on end fiddling with it.... only, you're not going to put much bread on the table doing that. And you simply cannot skip the grind and make bread directly from wheat grain.

https://5.imimg.com/data5/EQ/LE/MY-9122131/wheat-seeds-500x500.jpg

What you have to do is :

https://i1.wp.com/eatbychoice.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/k-tec-wheat-grinder.jpg

Then you get:

https://img.aws.livestrongcdn.com/ls-article-image-673/ds-photo/getty/article/228/231/136303349.jpg

Then you finally get to gather some other ingredients

https://img.werecipes.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/eggless-whole-wheat-bread-ingredients.jpg

then you can make your bread.

http://tastykitchen.com/recipes/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2012/03/white-bread-410x271.jpg

So... when someone says there's no grind in ED, it's a fallacy. Everything you do culminates into the equivalent of that lovely end goal of that loaf of bread... from that very first corn harvest to the careful kneading and mixing of all those special ingredients. So from engineers to bread. everything is a task, a grind to some.

The only real difference is... in the real world, we use one of these:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/01/16/1879674C000005DC-0-image-m-49_1501602458002.jpg

and in ED we're forced to do this:

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2124/2338762580_c754a4cdef.jpg

AND THAT is the real issue.

After the first few hectares, it becomes old. Samey...... people lose the will to live. The fun is making the bread, the bit AFTER the wheat has been collected and ground up... not wearing yourself out getting to that point. There's simply noting, NOTHING!

https://i0.wp.com/beefrunner.com/wp...013-10-04-13-36-21-1.jpg?resize=500,373&ssl=1

that speeds up or makes the vast expanse of repetition simple to and fun to do in ED. We're forced to hand pick the lot due to inadequate tools & gamey reasons...

we're forced to then grind everything by hand......

https://i2.wp.com/megalaskitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/grain-mill.gif?resize=800,533&ssl=1

then we finally get to the messy fun part.

https://www.wikihow.com/images/thum...mark-Knead-Dough-Step-7-preview-Version-2.jpg

Then we can rejoice.

https://image1.masterfile.com/getIm...wMDAwMDA=ADoW1H/619-05644134en_Masterfile.jpg





You can tell it's 2.30am, and I have had too much beer!

Cheers!!

http://dontpaniconline.com/media/magazine/660x420/052dd028c829f52538889e41ea36c280.jpg





Epilogue:


mutter mutter mutter mutter... no such thing as grind! mutter mutter.... where'd i put that bottle opener?... mutter mutter; no grind... bah. psssssssssssst, cheers. glug glug.

...and yet we have people who enjoy making bread. How dare they do that. Those bread makers, I’m sure, can even show you how to do it easily too. How dare they even try.

 

[verminstar]

And some people make cookies, but flour and sugar aint the only ingredients...my attempts never look very appetizing even though they are and would lock ye into the sofa fer 3 hours.

Strangely enough, I have to grind and then sieve them several times which is fairly time consuming and messy, then slow cook the mixture fer upto ten hours.

Point being, ye want the shiny at the end, then ye gotta work fer the shiny...if the shiny were too easy to get or worse, free...then its not that shiny. If its an absolute (insert a word in yer imagination that hits the filter) to get, then sooner or later, its gonna start to hurt. Finding that middle ground can be tricky and tbh, I dont think they there yet...but however...one must make hay while the sun shines so quit yer whining and get back to work bunch of bone idle noob fodder...

 

[the source 0179]

I just started a new account on PC as I have been an Xbox Elite Player for years now to the tune of about 6800 hours played(On XBox alone). I felt like the grind was going to be so hard because I hear so many people complain about it so often that I started to believe it was true. Then I look at my Inara journal updates(https://inara.cz/cmdr/109447/) and realize its not at all that hard and I feel more and more people just want stuff that they are unable or unwilling to work for. This is still less then 8 days played and Im 2 Imperial ranks away from the Cutter. From a Sidey to a A class Python in less then 8 days in game playing time.

https://screenshots.firefox.com/PeertbT0buRTMg6K/inara.cz

I guess I just want people to know it isnt hard. In fact, with the right information, its super easy.

For people that have lots of time to play it isnt a grind. Because for them spending 40 or more hours a week on this game isnt hard.
For people that are restricted in time due to RL it is a grind because finding 8 hours a week can be almost impossible. its that simple.
Eg for someone with 40hr a week. You can do alot of things. And things happen quickly in their point of view. But for someone that can only do say 6hrs a week to get to the same point in one week for the other people may take almost 7 weeks.
So its just perspective of how much time the person has.

For example what has taken me about 4 weeks of in game time took real life time of since release on xbox. That is with quite a few breaks though. So certain things do seem like a grind. But for someone that can put 10x more game time in it would be a quick process.

For me personally though mats and data are the main grind. I personally would like the option many other games have in that you have a choice how to pay for things for example
You go to an engineer you get a few options.
1. As is now pay purely mats and data.
2. Use what ever mats and data you have and the rest in credits.
3. Pay with just credits. ( being the most expensive way)
Or have it you can buy mats and data for credits from someone.

That way you can choose how you play and what you grind for. And it would also have options for those who want to do it the old way or use credits.

So in role play perspective if your a salvager, miner,pirate you have constant access to data and mats.
But if your character is only concerned with cold hard credits you can use credits to buy anything.
My thoughts of the way the galaxy is is anything can be bought for credits if you pay enough or find the right person to buy from.

For example you can buy all sorts of things from the market but you cant buy simple things like iron or arsenic etc.

All things should be aquireable with credits if you have enough.

 

[Maka Gucci]

...and yet we have people who enjoy making bread. How dare they do that. Those bread makers, I’m sure, can even show you how to do it easily too. How dare they even try.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/636296785275654144/dU5Krzr0.jpg

Whether or not someone enjoys the grind, or making bread or whatever the analogy is at this point. It is still objectively a grind, so you can see how some people would think it was, what it is.

 

[DR Grandreefer]

For people that have lots of time to play it isnt a grind. Because for them spending 40 or more hours a week on this game isnt hard.
For people that are restricted in time due to RL it is a grind because finding 8 hours a week can be almost impossible. its that simple.
Eg for someone with 40hr a week. You can do alot of things. And things happen quickly in their point of view. But for someone that can only do say 6hrs a week to get to the same point in one week for the other people may take almost 7 weeks.
So its just perspective of how much time the person has.

For example what has taken me about 4 weeks of in game time took real life time of since release on xbox. That is with quite a few breaks though. So certain things do seem like a grind. But for someone that can put 10x more game time in it would be a quick process.

For me personally though mats and data are the main grind. I personally would like the option many other games have in that you have a choice how to pay for things for example
You go to an engineer you get a few options.
1. As is now pay purely mats and data.
2. Use what ever mats and data you have and the rest in credits.
3. Pay with just credits. ( being the most expensive way)
Or have it you can buy mats and data for credits from someone.

That way you can choose how you play and what you grind for. And it would also have options for those who want to do it the old way or use credits.

So in role play perspective if your a salvager, miner,pirate you have constant access to data and mats.
But if your character is only concerned with cold hard credits you can use credits to buy anything.
My thoughts of the way the galaxy is is anything can be bought for credits if you pay enough or find the right person to buy from.

For example you can buy all sorts of things from the market but you cant buy simple things like iron or arsenic etc.

All things should be aquireable with credits if you have enough.

I dont understand how still people are relating real life time with my in game time. This all has been talked about with reference to my in game time. I dont care if you have 2 or less hours a day to play or if you have 16 hours a day to play. You can setup and knock down these missions the very same way I did in the very same in game time that I did. Yes it may take more real life time to pass for people that only have the 2 or less hours a day to play but both in game times still end the same way.

 

[DR Grandreefer]

Whether or not someone enjoys the grind, or making bread or whatever the analogy is at this point. It is still objectively a grind, so you can see how some people would think it was, what it is.

The analogy was used because you can make things easy by studying them. By doing it so many times you build a confidence and knowledge level that allows you to do it easily. That is what can be learned by others in other professions, or game in this case. In fact those people who loved doing their special trade usually teach others how to do it easily too. But that hasnt happened here. This forum has mostly(I thank the ones for the up votes and support) consisted of people looking at somebody who was able to A class a python from nothing in a week(OF PLAYING TIME) and somehow still want to cry grind. Well I tried. If anyone would like to learn how easily it is please feel free to contact me. I am "DR Grandreefer" on all accounts. Add me on xbox or on PC. Sorry Sony but you did me so wrong so long ago. lol. But I do love helping others learn how easy everything can be in Elite. I am a little short on PVP. That experience died when I realized very few actually fight for experience and its more just to ruin peoples days. I like learning from the pilots I fight. Having an open dialog with that person so we can learn from each other. But we all know that experience is rare in Elite these days. Well at least on XBox. Im just learning the PC community.

 

[NotBiffle]

Just gotta say I'm loving this thread, it's got a bit of everything really. Good stuff. Carry on.

 

[verminstar]

I dont understand how still people are relating real life time with my in game time. This all has been talked about with reference to my in game time. I dont care if you have 2 or less hours a day to play or if you have 16 hours a day to play. You can setup and knock down these missions the very same way I did in the very same in game time that I did. Yes it may take more real life time to pass for people that only have the 2 or less hours a day to play but both in game times still end the same way.

Of course, the choice is there to make the grind go faster...it is however a choice, not a requirement. Some of us enjoy a more laid back approach...oh Im not against easy credits or board flipping and mission stacking, but how I play is in a very laid back way nonetheless. Only took two years to get the cutter but now I have it, I know I earned it which means I value what is, at the end of the day, just pixels on a screen.

Its like going fer a day out in a beach resort up north...theres the scenic route that takes about 4 hours average so long as ye dont get stuck behind some tractor tom out in the sticks doing 30 mph and not a shade more. Or ye can blast up the motorway doin 90 fer an hour and dodging speed cameras...both ways take ye to the same place but both ways give the user a very different reward when ye reach the destination ^

 

[jasonbarron]

I'm glad that you enjoyed your bazzilion hours playing this game, OP, but your enjoyment of the time spent doesn't change the objective fact that this game is a massive grind. The only thing you've addressed, really, with your new account are Imperial rank & accumulated wealth, two of the easiest things there are to gain in this game. Go unlock all the engineers and get that Cutter PvP fit, with a side order of unlocking all the guardian tech, then get back to us about grind.

 

[the source 0179]

I dont understand how still people are relating real life time with my in game time. This all has been talked about with reference to my in game time. I dont care if you have 2 or less hours a day to play or if you have 16 hours a day to play. You can setup and knock down these missions the very same way I did in the very same in game time that I did. Yes it may take more real life time to pass for people that only have the 2 or less hours a day to play but both in game times still end the same way.

Yes but some people dont look at it differently. For example when some people say they played a game for lets say a month they mean they started playing a month ago Not I've played for 744hrs because most people dont track exact hrs in game they track it as time in RL since starting to play. For example 744hrs in game for someone who plays say 6hrs a week is 124 weeks. 31 months. 2.3 years.

To compare when someone says they have worked for a company for 5 years it doesn't mean actually work time which would be 13600hrs or 566 days or 1.55 yrs of in work time. It means actual time passing in general as in the same as you age.

And thats why people say some things take too long. Because most people use RL time frame not actual hrs played.

 

[DR Grandreefer]

I'm glad that you enjoyed your bazzilion hours playing this game, OP, but your enjoyment of the time spent doesn't change the objective fact that this game is a massive grind. The only thing you've addressed, really, with your new account are Imperial rank & accumulated wealth, two of the easiest things there are to gain in this game. Go unlock all the engineers and get that Cutter PvP fit, with a side order of unlocking all the guardian tech, then get back to us about grind.

yay. Let’s talk about the really detailed stuff so we can make my arguent of “not a grind” for just money and ships, invalid. You have clearly have this all figured out.

 

[DR Grandreefer]

Yes but some people dont look at it differently. For example when some people say they played a game for lets say a month they mean they started playing a month ago Not I've played for 744hrs because most people dont track exact hrs in game they track it as time in RL since starting to play. For example 744hrs in game for someone who plays say 6hrs a week is 124 weeks. 31 months. 2.3 years.

To compare when someone says they have worked for a company for 5 years it doesn't mean actually work time which would be 13600hrs or 566 days or 1.55 yrs of in work time. It means actual time passing in general as in the same as you age.

And thats why people say some things take too long. Because most people use RL time frame not actual hrs played.

All very true and well said. However I was referencing my in game time because it’s not just something that is tracked but also something that really does means something in video games. Not to mention pilots and many other jobs in life are recorded in hours. Just because your job has a year anniversary for you being there doesn’t mean you worked 8760 hours there. Somebody that has 7000 hours in a game clearly salts everyone up. The fact that the person that has the many hours and has clearly proven how easy it is to do this stuff and I s getting written off is kind of stupid really . Maybe you should take it as a chance to learn something. But hey, we all do things our own way.

 

[crushdepth]

yay. Let’s talk about the really detailed stuff so we can make my arguent of “not a grind” for just money and ships, invalid. You have clearly have this all figured out.

The game is clearly a huge grind in every aspect. If you enjoy it great, but its still a grind.

Some people think Farmville is fun too. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[kiario]

What one sees as grind the other sees as good gameplay. Its all very individual.

Some people really like doing the same thing many times.

You can certainly play this game without grinding. Just dont do the same thing repeatedly and not too much of it. Mix it up and limit playing hours.

 

[DR Grandreefer]

Nice collection of one hitters. My dugout is nicer though (but often empty).

No wonder you think there is no grind.

Oh I do remember the old days when this stuff wasn’t legal in my state. Now it is and there is no reason to hide it. But hey perscription drugs that take away grind from a game. That sounds cool.

Edit: of course I joke. It’s just excuse after excuse but I still have a a class python in a week. That’s 250 million. I am 2 ranks from Duke for my Cutter. I will have 1 billion in my first month of gameplay. Anyone can do it. I already sent 2 people on the path.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

6800 hours on XBox? Hmmm....

How long has XBox been out?