I know - it's great, isn't it?(or not, as the case may be)
More seriously, I expect that everyone has a slightly different personal definition of that term.
A bunch of magically untouchable ships would not fit my definition.
A bunch of magically untouchable ships would not fit my definition.
I laughed at this... "realism and immersion" .. I guess if you get killed you start over with a new commander, if not then THAT blows your realism and immersion argument out the window. And if you even do.. you can continue to play in Open PVP where that does not happen and all shots hurt.
Ooh lets go with a slippery slope argument... now where have I seen this type of fallacy argument before... OH YEA From those who feel I am an abomination. Apparently I can't marry who I want to because by doing so suddenly it leads to people marrying their siblings, then animals, then inanimate objects, where does this insanity end.. it is the end of the world!!!
Hmm... sounds more like CQC to me... and PVP isn't a core feature in the game. How many times has it affected PP or BGS.... lets go with ... it doesn't.
And to tell you bluntly.. NO IT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. You want to know why? Because Mobius and others have to bend over backwards to get people who want into the right group, keep goldfish commanders out and to manage the groups as a whole. This is NOT something players should be doing, it is something the company should be doing.
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Anndddd....here we are again, back to the exact same circular argument this community has been having for over four years now.
10. PvE'ers just want an official mode which suits their preferred cooperative playstyle, without any PvP.
20. PvP'ers don't want the PvE'ers to have an official PvE mode because it doesn't fit their preferences.
30. PvP'ers tell the PvE'ers that they already have Solo and the Mobius Private Group and that's good enough.
40. Goto 10.
So fracking tiring.
PvE players deserve no less than the same consideration and opportunities to play together which PvP players get, and anyone who suggests otherwise is just being obstinate and selfish.
I vote we take away Open mode entirely and force the PvP players to create their own Private Group just for PvP oriented people. A PvP version of Mobius, I'm sure someone would be generous enough to create and manage it. See if their opinions change then.
10. PvE'ers just want an official mode which suits their preferred cooperative playstyle, without any PvP.
20. PvP'ers don't want the PvE'ers to have an official PvE mode because it doesn't fit their preferences.
30. PvP'ers tell the PvE'ers that they already have Solo and the Mobius Private Group and that's good enough.
40. Goto 10.
So fracking tiring.
PvE players deserve no less than the same consideration and opportunities to play together which PvP players get, and anyone who suggests otherwise is just being obstinate and selfish.
I vote we take away Open mode entirely and force the PvP players to create their own Private Group just for PvP oriented people. A PvP version of Mobius, I'm sure someone would be generous enough to create and manage it. See if their opinions change then.
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And I vote that we lock BGS & Powerplay manipulation into Open only. Check. And. Mate.
Boom!
Let me repeat myself:
Boom.
Please provide a substantive argument why they should not.
Thats becsuse the game wasnt created as carebear safe spot and creating a group of 20K carebears is going against the game's spirit, that's why they have to bend backwards to accommodate their safespot.
Goose4291
Banned
Frontier disagree
And I've explained countless times how it does affect PP and the BGS. As usual you're ignoring this because it doesnt suit your rhetoric.
Because the game wants you to pvp in 2 out 3 modes, and not doing it is going against its spirit, thats why you need to rig your routers, block, solo undermining etc.
That is popycock and you know it... the game doesn't want you to PVP... it is just an option to... YOU want FORCE people to PVP. Your whole statement is nothing more than Antagonistic trolling.
I dont need to force anyone the game already does it, unless you go to solo or start rigging your router.
I just login and start shooting, you are the one who needs to take additional steps to router rig/block/apply for private groups or disconnect yourself in solo.
That's funny, you log in and start shooting, I log in and start scanning. We both play in Open. Fancy that?
You are in the wrong place.
It's way more fun than seal clubbing! The game pays you to do it!
Nothing stopping you from hunting other commanders...that has always been in the game!
There is nothing about CATCHING other commanders in the game is there? Marketing speak gets you guys out every time! LOL!
Goose4291
Banned
'You guys' seem desperate to strawman away from the point that was made.
Irrelevant personal anecdotes aside, the question remains unanswered: why is it valid for you to demand a game mode that does away with a core mechanic of the game (and yes- PvP is a core mechanic) and yet the examples I posted where players of various playstyles making their own request for a tailored open experience are for some reason invalid?
Or are you the only one entitled to a version of open with only the features you like?
It isn't a slippery slope. It's consistency.
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Leave it to Mobius apologists to cheapen the struggle of millions of people worldwide in their endless crusade to be bad at a video game.
Not a good look, buddy.
Yea Carebear! Any more insults you want to throw since trolling is all you are well maybe decent at? And For your information, they were not accommodating a "safe space" (oh look another insult) but they DID bend over backwards and give the ability to account ban people like you who feel that THEIR game play is so right that they can lie to get into other PG's just to hunt people they know won't fight back.. because yea we know how you don't want to scratch your ship.
Funny how I never said it wasn't part of the game (as you pointed out) but that it isn't a core part of the game... in that besides blowing a ship up and causing a rebuy screen (just as an NPC opponent would do) what does it effect does it have on the game itself... zippo
My rhetoric? Funny as I'm not the one demanding they change the game for my playstyle.. but yes you have explained.. but again the affect is the same as if an NPC did it... otherwise... ZIPPO...
You've been trying from the start to force people to open cause you need more targets. And in Solo I'd as connected to the BGS and the Universe as anywhere else, just don't see people like you. PG's oh many that extra step was brutal.. I mean asking to join... why would someone make you do such a thing... all that time wasted when I could have been.. oh look that didn't take any time at all and am ingame and having fun. As for the router... all I've ever done is plug mine in.
No PVP isn't it is just something that is there.. it doesn't effect anything that an NPC affects.
And Certain PVPers are the ones who are entitled... Open only, rewards for Open, Buffs for Open, Open affecting PP and the BGS more than PG or Solo does.... that is entitlement... me me me me me grubby wanting.
PVE PG's are finding themselves overflowing.. so some have requested a PVE server... Because you know FDev did say you can play as you like and many people don't like PVP yet they still like to play with others... so it is only fair that they have an opportunity to do that.
As for your "It isn't a slippery slope, it is consitency" horse hockey...
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
slippery slope - You said that if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen.
The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. Because no proof is presented to show that such extreme hypotheticals will in fact occur, this fallacy has the form of an appeal to emotion fallacy by leveraging fear. In effect the argument at hand is unfairly tainted by unsubstantiated conjecture.
Example: Colin Closet asserts that if we allow same-sex couples to marry, then the next thing we know we'll be allowing people to marry their parents, their cars and even monkeys.
Your "example" was a blatant as all heck slippery slope argument, but nice try in trying to deny it.
OH LOOK!!!! Another insult... now I'm an apologist. Ohhhh and you point out that one of the PG's I am in is Mobius... must mean we are up to dastardly deeds... or you could be saying this because you think your lame attempt is a good attempt at discrediting the group. Yet it is interesting how you say this... where were your comments when ol Edgy was comparing things to Communism and even the Civil War and the fight to end Slavery. *crickets, crickets, crickets* Oh I get it... if a PVP enthusiast want to compare PVP meaning more to the game then just killing to slaves fighting for their freedom against the Confederacy, THEN it is ok... yet I dare to point out a slippery slope fallacy by noting another slippery slope comparison and then suddenly I'm "cheapening the struggle of millions of people worldwide" Though the insulting cheap shot at PVPErs "in their endless crusade to be bad at a video game" was expected sadly. All I did was point out that BOTH were slippery slope fallacies, I didn't compare them to each other, but nice try there. Oh and by the way... I don't cheapen the struggle.. I live it daily ^,^.
I'm still waiting for you to explain why your request for a tailored version of open is valid but no one else's is.
Goose4291
Banned
The point of the image I linked is that it (PvP) was marketed in the advertising as a core feature.
No, but you are the one vehemently defending against peoples efforts to highlight broken mechanics and issues with gameloops that ruin the experience for others in a shared multiplayer gameworld.
As to the rest of your post... I think you need a little time away from your computer in the real world. A nice walk, perhaps?