Change My Mind

[Powderpanic]

But but gweefers!

Griefing
Noun
Doing anything I don’t agree with.

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing

 

[Cheese Helmet]

So you don't see any need to change PP's all modes status, then.

Nope thats definitely a needed change to bring pp into line with its intended function.

Just because the game isnt falling apart doesn't mean changes arent warranted. Its a common sense adjustment by fdev. Glad to see they are aware of the need for the change.

Pp deserves the change and the game is in a spot where pp can be looked at.

Stop worrying about powerplay. You wont miss what you dont want and dont play.

 

[verminstar]

I think you're being incredibly dishonest if you seriously suggesting that online gaming doesn't have a bit of a 'reputation'.

Only I didnt suggest that...show me where I suggested that if ye will ^

 

[Perseus]

It won't see its popularity rise significantly. So you believe that a tiny portion of the player base should get what it wants of the other 95%.

I think that's a rather dishonest and selfish position to take, myself. Demonstrably, it's bad for the game.

FD do seem to be thinking otherwise.
I can't argue about your opinion of me being selfish ( Although I do not actually think that) but I can't understand why you think I'm being dishonest. I gave you my honest opinion.
Speaking of honesty; where did you get your 5%/95% ratio from?

 

[Andovar]

Thus, if you are going to assume ED will continue to be "equal across all modes"...

The thing is, not everyone is assuming this. Just because it was said at some point doesn't mean it will forever stay this way.
They pulled offline mode off the table after initially promising it because they decided they couldn't build the game they wanted with an offline mode as part of it.
So now they're considering restricting one gameplay element from some of the modes.
Yup changes can happen, regardless of what was said in the past.

So instead of clinging to that phrase, supporters of solo PP need to make compelling arguments for why they think the gameplay is better by having PP available in solo.
Then in the end, FD can decide which path they think is better.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

I love the "im a solo player and i speak for 99.999% of all players" crap.

Look through the focused feedback. Overwhelming support from open/pg/AND solo players alike with a few disagreemts throughout. But over all in favor.

 

[Genus]

The thing is, not everyone is assuming this. Just because it was said at some point doesn't mean it will forever stay this way.
They pulled offline mode off the table after initially promising it because they decided they couldn't build the game they wanted with an offline mode as part of it.
So now they're considering restricting one gameplay element from some of the modes.
Yup changes can happen, regardless of what was said in the past.

So instead of clinging to that phrase, supporters of solo PP need to make compelling arguments for why they think the gameplay is better by having PP available in solo.
Then in the end, FD can decide which path they think is better.

Change the entire nature of the game, it's infrastructure and operating model because Powerplay is not-fit-for-purpose?

I believe one needs to tweak their agenda.

Although to qualify, I have to say. If they implement this, or even beta it....changing the entire nature of the game is exactly what they will be doing, and for a good long while it will be two games. As after all, they'll throw it over the wall and then take years to figure out how to run that. It took CCP 5 years and they knew what they were doing. If you think there are inequalities now....wait until the dust settles on that. When it does the decision to bin Solo will simply have to take place.

Ergo, we get an Open Only Powerplay implemented, we ultimately get Elite:Online

EVE 0.5 in the Elite Universe, which is something I personally have zero interest in, but seems to be a popular notion to a meaningful number of the user base.

I have to ask, is that truly want you want?

 

[Sterling MH]

Childish insults aside,

I dont care if you make childish insults. I won't be offended. I won't be surprised at them either coming from you.

"they are using Solo and PG to gain advantage"

All modes are not equal. Only the choice is availble to all equaly but the modes themselves differ in difficulty.

Sorry, this is an invalid complaint. You are picking a "more difficult mode". You do not get to demand "equality" because of it.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

I dont care if you make childish insults. I won't be offended. I won't be surprised at them either coming from you.

"they are using Solo and PG to gain advantage

Sorry, this is an invalid complaint. You are picking a "more difficult mode". You do not get to demand "equality" because of it.

And you are picking a Solo mode. You dont get pp because of it.

 

[Sterling MH]

I love the "im a solo player and i speak for 99.999% of all players" crap.

So stop saying it, then.

" Overwhelming support"

From overwhelmingly the PvP crowd and OpenOnly crowd who never wanted any other mode to exist. But that works out to 12% of the customer base. Not even a minority.

And you are picking a Solo mode. You dont get pp because of it.

Yes I do.

That's what you complain about. How can I not do something you say is making your game bad?

But but gweefers!

Griefing
Noun
Doing anything I don’t agree with.

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing

You don't do reflection, do you.

 

[Sterling MH]

I think you're being incredibly dishonest if you're trying to gloss over the fact that online multiplayer gaming doesn't have a bit of a 'reputation'.

Go watch a GTAV Online YT vid. See how mppvp turns out if you let people loose on it.

 

[Andovar]

Change the entire nature of the game, it's infrastructure and operating model because Powerplay is not-fit-for-purpose?

A little over-dramatized, but yes. Why should they leave it as is if it's not "fit for purpose" as you say?
Again, people need to provide specific arguments for why the powerplay gameplay is better with cross-mode play.
I don't expect FD to listen much to the "it's gamebreaking!" and "broken promises!" arguments.

 

[Sterling MH]

Ive never met anyone that needs me to buy it for them

Well you'll be buying it for them now? Or is it only nothing much when it's someone else's money? I took you at your word. don't let me down now.

 

[Perseus]

Not even a minority.

I'm intrigued. How much of a percentage would it need to be in order to gain the exalted title of being a minority?

 

[CMDR EDGEL0RD]

Change the entire nature of the game, it's infrastructure and operating model because Powerplay is not-fit-for-purpose?

I believe one needs to tweak their agenda.

PP at the moment is a worst "spreadsheets in space" game ever made. With is played about the same as CqC.
It is nothing but "spreadsheets in space", because the maximum impact is done here through solo/pg hauling. Thus, everything else is irrelevant. This is a competition, after all.

If they would try to buff Open ways instead of making it Open only, they would have to resort for bonuses like 800 merits per PvP kill, and x7 efficiency of actions in Open. Unlimited potential for abuse.
If they would limit impact on PP from solo to, lets say, 100 merits per day. Well, I like it, even way less than open only as there will be multiaccount abuse, but do PvE people like it?
If they would make PvP having some sort of irreplaceable role, whole system will stagnate untill everyone unlocks everything through Solo grind.

Without anything of this, PP will continue to exist as Farmville in space competition. Because maximum efficiency will be in solo grind, and PvP would stay irrelevant.

 

[Sterling MH]

I'm intrigued. How much of a percentage would it need to be in order to gain the exalted title of being a minority?

More than a part of 12% when there are only 3 types apart from that.

 

[NY09]

Only I didnt suggest that...show me where I suggested that if ye will ^

Tarring the entire playerbase in multiplayer as a cretinfest speaks highly of your experience only...not the reality.

It is not my experience only, online multiplayer gaming experiences are widely regarded as a juvenile moron orgy by a great many players.

Cross ref: EVE, squeakers, TKers, seal clubbing, ganking, murderhobos, 'yr mom', etc etc etc. No thanks. And I'm not sceeeerd, it's just toxic crap compared to a good immersive single player game.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

So stop saying it, then.

" Overwhelming support"

From overwhelmingly the PvP crowd and OpenOnly crowd who never wanted any other mode to exist. But that works out to 12% of the customer base. Not even a minority.


Yes I do.

That's what you complain about. How can I not do something you say is making your game bad?


You don't do reflection, do you.

Im not saying it. Im just watching people like you say it, like you just claimed.
Go read the thread.

 

[Sterling MH]

PP at the moment is a worst "spreadsheets in space" game at the moment.

So play "spreadsheets in space" then. Making it "Spreadsheets in space for a small number of us" won't fix anything.

Im not saying it.

You just did.

"Im just watching people like you say it"
You aren't like me. And you said it.

" like you just claimed. "
Where? You claimed people like me said it, not me.

 

[NY09]

Go watch a GTAV Online YT vid. See how mppvp turns out if you let people loose on it.

Zactly.