Change My Mind

[Sterling MH]

No such thing as griefing in this game.

Yes there is. You just redefine it as "you were not in my crosshairs, I am unhappy, you are griefing me" and define what you do as not griefing.

You grief.

"The TOS have nothing to do with OPEN only content."
The ToS DOES have a lot to do with the statement you made I pointed you to it being wrong.

"Yes I also have PG and SOLO "
So you are at NO DISADVANTAGE to any other PP player.
Good, we're done, there's no need to redress any imbalance, since we all have the same choices.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

OK, but then your post was pointless and you knew it at the time.

"devs have expressed interest in making pp open only. "
Nope. They asked people's opinion on it. The opinion is it sucks.


"On console i can chose ..."
To hide in console yet STILL get the full benefit of PP exclusivity. Your license on anything other than PC should be voided.

"And even in its current state you still need the subscription to use all elties features."

One you don't need it for is PP play.

And that should change very soon based on all the positive feedback the devs are getting.

And since we are already split up by platform we dont need split up by game mode too

 

[Sterling MH]

CQC is 4 * 4km gladiator arena, that's not a war thats a joke.

Tell you what, go look at the size of the average battle area in WWII and its average size was not much bigger than that.

If WWII wasn't a battle, you are joking.

But, hey, here's something: ask that it get expanded to, say, 40km on a side.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

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So we can leave it where it is. Because it cannot get worse by doing so.

Got it.

Nah we just make it better by going pp open only friendo. Since you agree it cant get worse, then the change can only make it better or keep it the same. Per your own admission theres no downsides to the change. Welcome aboard the open only pp crew commander!

 

[Brrokk]

To reply to OP, my prediction for the most likely outcome is that hardly anyone will change the mode they play in and therefore PP will have fewer participants.

I don't think that can be considered good for PP.

 

[Sterling MH]

And that should change very soon

Nope, could. Not should. It should remain the same. Stealing from people is bad. Even companies doing it.

 

[Jex =TE=]

FD do seem to be thinking otherwise.
I can't argue about your opinion of me being selfish ( Although I do not actually think that) but I can't understand why you think I'm being dishonest. I gave you my honest opinion.
Speaking of honesty; where did you get your 5%/95% ratio from?

I think it's dishonest to want a naff game mode worked on that hardly anyone plays.. How does that help the game at all? And when you get bored of the changes, will you still be here? Or will you have left the game and left the rest of us worse off? That's why I call it dishonest and selfish and whilst you might not go anywhere, I can quote hundreds of forum users that no longer post here who were adamant that ED was the best game ever.

As to the figures I got those of off a PVP'er here who plays PP and quoted a poll OA did I think where they had 5k players (Like that's a lot). That makes up a little over 1% of the playerbase of around 400k combining console, steam and original buyers like myself who don't play it on steam. I then gave PP another 4% on top to make 25k players - if you think there's more than 25k players playing, then even if you double it, it's only 12% of the player base.

 

[NeilF]

I agree, but I despise this blatantly obvious rep-grabbing attempt

Me too!

BTW have I told you how utterly amazing and what a truly astute, wise and manly man you are?

 

[Sterling MH]

To reply to OP, my prediction for the most likely outcome is that hardly anyone will change the mode they play in and therefore PP will have fewer participants.

I don't think that can be considered good for PP.

It isn't about being good for PP, it's about getting fresh meat and if htat fails, a wedge in the door to remove all other modes.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

Nope, could. Not should. It should remain the same. Stealing from people is bad. Even companies doing it.

Lol balancing a game mode isnt theft.

 

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

a game mode that less than 5% of the players base uses

citation needed

 

[Sterling MH]

Nah we just make it better by going pp open only friendo.

Cool! No, not kidding, happy for you.

So if it's a BETTER EXPERIENCE in Open PP, then you don't need to take solo/PG PP out. They have a worse experience.

 

[Genus]

Lol...balancing a game mode isn't theft.

But it's just as irresponsible, using this method.

 

[verminstar]

Nope, could. Not should. It should remain the same. Stealing from people is bad. Even companies doing it.

How are they stealing something that already belongs to them?

 

[Sterling MH]

Lol balancing a game mode isnt theft.

Indeed, but this is a red herring, a conflation fallacy, or possibly non sequitur.

This is about taking PP away from people, not game balancing.

And, remember, there's no remit for modes to be EQUAL:

All modes are not equal. Only the choice is availble to all equaly but the modes themselves differ in difficulty.

 

[Chris Simon]

So just for the record, it's only powerplay that is going to be locked into open only. You can still trade/explore/grind the BGS in solo/private, but this discussion is only about powerplay.
I am not convinced that undermining/fortifying/preparing from within solo play is healthy for powerplay as a whole.

That is not the point, though.
It may as well improve powerplay, but the question is, will it improve the GAME.

 

[Genus]

Indeed, but this is a red herring, a conflation fallacy, or possibly non sequitur.

...could even be a false equivalency.

 

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

Nope. It doesn't. But removing it from the majority of modes means it IS meaningless because it doesn't exist. You, however, still get to play Solo or PG.

Nah I'll be playing in open, engaging in glorious PvP combat with enemy wings.

That is not the point, though.
It may as well improve powerplay, but the question is, will it improve the GAME.

It will revive one of the DoA aspects of the game (a large one at that). I'd say the game benefits from that.

 

[Funny]

I just wish they’d gone all in on the PvE stuff while also giving PvP merit (literally). Open only will alienate more people than it’ll attract, I guess. I mean, it already was a mess with instancing in PGs. Anyone who hasn’t gone into open in a hotspot for powerplay won’t know how easy it is for several wings to gamg up on you. It would make you unable to do powerplay because you’ll keep getting interdicted or interrupted by commanders. It would make powerplay a lotmore stale than it is now.

 

[NY09]

So yer not gonna supply any examples from yer own experience, just gonna spam what some daily rag writes about everyones favorite scapegoat and call that evidence?

Thats just laughable, it really is. In other words, yer just going by what others have said...ye dont actually have any actual experience to go on. That says all it needs to say about how seriously Im gonna take yer answers.

As fer gaming in yesteryear...started with quake and moved onto unreal tourny. There was no salt back then and even the bitterest of rivals were all good m8s in the lobby afterwards. It was only when counter strike emerged that the salt started, and most of that was down to the cheating.

But Im sure ye have newspapers to tell ye all ye wanna hear...whatever haha...

Sorry dude, I don't care about your feelings, nor your praise, friendship or your reading of my comments. You're not an authority, I don't need to give evidence to meet your 'appeal to authority' logical fallacy (though I could, easily, because you are making an erroneous assumption, once again).

You can't accept that you are wrong, you can't accept that my last post shot down every point you made, because your insulating psychology won't allow your fragile ego to be hurt by entertaining the slightest possibility of your own fallibility, so there is no profit in challenging you whatsoever. And I don't really care to try and figure out what ever the hell it is that you are going on about in the above post.

Also, that 'yer' colloquial affectation? Just no...