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[Agony_Aunt]

Actually it isn't incorrect because PP is still tied to the BGS. Say you have an independant system that you and a few others support and someone decides it needs to be under a certain power's influence. Suddenly things start changing in the system and a lot more traffic comes in, all which affect the BGS, lockdown, boom, influence of factions, etc. Currently anyone in any 3 modes can do something about that. But if things go through they are forced to go to Open to counter and it becomes Winter's property now. Unless PP is utterly removed and has no effect on the BGS or the universe as a whole it needs to remain for all 3 modes.

As for my power, I am pledged to the Rightful Empress, our lovely blue haired princess and I honestly don't keep track of merits. I don't do it for the prismatic shield, I help where I can.

Hmm... that's an interesting point.

If a group wanted to be disruptive, they could go around in PG/solo flipping systems to governments that are not good for the power, even though its not meant to be possible to affect PP from PG/solo if these changes go through.

More reason to split the game methinks.

 

[Sylveria]

Hmm... that's an interesting point.

If a group wanted to be disruptive, they could go around in PG/solo flipping systems to governments that are not good for the power, even though its not meant to be possible to affect PP from PG/solo if these changes go through.

More reason to split the game methinks.

Indeed. Open PvE, Open PvP. Separate PP, BGS, saves, etc.

Done and done.

 

[Curvemn17]

Hmm... that's an interesting point.

If a group wanted to be disruptive, they could go around in PG/solo flipping systems to governments that are not good for the power, even though its not meant to be possible to affect PP from PG/solo if these changes go through.

More reason to split the game methinks.

With current proposal, the only aspect that would be of importance would be the control systems govt. If a group in solo/pg wanted to flip that then in that instance fine. That’s of little consequence in comparison to the entire proposal. It’s also for a power much easier to maintain the BGS in for those systems than in its current format where you maintain the BGS for all the systems. This allows those that only want to do BGS and from the solitude of their solo/PG to do so without the direct conflict with the power that exploits the system.

 

[Rustnsawdust]

Well for one I can be as arrogant as I see fit

You certainly can. I'm not sure you have to prove it with every single post, though.

You also need to brush up your comprehension - the quote you misread was "the deck is stacked in YOUR favour for Open"; not "the deck is stacked in YOUR favour *in* Open. See the difference?

And many of us do, in fact, feel that the deck is stacked in favour of Open - CQC/Arena, wings, crewmen, squadrons, fleet carriers... all of the recent major 'content' announcements are either Open-only, or heavily biased towards the multiplayer experience. And for the record, I believe that multiplayer content should be available only in multiplayer modes (Open or Private Group). It makes no sense for Solo players to have access to squadrons and fleet carriers or, indeed, to affect PowerPlay. What sticks in the craw is that every time FD throws multiplayers a bone, you whine and that it isn't good enough, and then you stop playing it.

So you can have PP, I don't care. But when - as we have seen so often in the last three days - you use it as a lever to start demanding that the BGS should be Open-only, or that the whole game should be Open-only, some of us are going to resist. And the louder you shout, the louder we're going to shout.

 

[Sylveria]

You certainly can. I'm not sure you have to prove it with every single post, though.

You also need to brush up your comprehension - the quote you misread was "the deck is stacked in YOUR favour for Open"; not "the deck is stacked in YOUR favour *in* Open. See the difference?

And many of us do, in fact, feel that the deck is stacked in favour of Open - CQC/Arena, wings, crewmen, squadrons, fleet carriers... all of the recent major 'content' announcements are either Open-only, or heavily biased towards the multiplayer experience. And for the record, I believe that multiplayer content should be available only in multiplayer modes (Open or Private Group). It makes no sense for Solo players to have access to squadrons and fleet carriers or, indeed, to affect PowerPlay. What sticks in the craw is that every time FD throws multiplayers a bone, you whine and that it isn't good enough, and then you stop playing it.

So you can have PP, I don't care. But when - as we have seen so often in the last three days - you use it as a lever to start demanding that the BGS should be Open-only, or that the whole game should be Open-only, some of us are going to resist. And the louder you shout, the louder we're going to shout.

Exactly. Have some rep, and HEAR HEAR!

 

[Rubbernuke]

So you can have PP, I don't care. But when - as we have seen so often in the last three days - you use it as a lever to start demanding that the BGS should be Open-only, or that the whole game should be Open-only, some of us are going to resist. And the louder you shout, the louder we're going to shout.

But this is the thing- the majority of comments about Open Powerplay....have been about Open Powerplay and nothing else. Out of the hundreds of pages I've looked trough, about 10 ask for Open mode for x feature.

 

[Sylveria]

But this is the thing- the majority of comments about Open Powerplay....have been about Open Powerplay and nothing else. Out of the hundreds of pages I've looked trough, about 10 ask for Open mode for x feature.

And you know who's been asking for most of them? I can guarantee you it's not PvE players. That's why we're fighting back. We're fed up with it.

 

[Han_Zen]

And you know who's been asking for most of them? I can guarantee you it's not PvE players. That's why we're fighting back. We're fed up with it.

Open BGS is not possible, without making the game open only. No need to worry.

 

[Curvemn17]

You certainly can. I'm not sure you have to prove it with every single post, though.

You also need to brush up your comprehension - the quote you misread was "the deck is stacked in YOUR favour for Open"; not "the deck is stacked in YOUR favour *in* Open. See the difference?

And many of us do, in fact, feel that the deck is stacked in favour of Open - CQC/Arena, wings, crewmen, squadrons, fleet carriers... all of the recent major 'content' announcements are either Open-only, or heavily biased towards the multiplayer experience. And for the record, I believe that multiplayer content should be available only in multiplayer modes (Open or Private Group). It makes no sense for Solo players to have access to squadrons and fleet carriers or, indeed, to affect PowerPlay. What sticks in the craw is that every time FD throws multiplayers a bone, you whine and that it isn't good enough, and then you stop playing it.

So you can have PP, I don't care. But when - as we have seen so often in the last three days - you use it as a lever to start demanding that the BGS should be Open-only, or that the whole game should be Open-only, some of us are going to resist. And the louder you shout, the louder we're going to shout.

Again we circle back to I have not once called for this to be open only game or open only BGS, especially not in this thread. Before this proposal was made I simply asked for the two BGS to be separate. However, with the changes proposed I am content and see it as a simple compromise.

The interesting part is you see the deck as stacked in my favor where as I see the opposite. If we are gonna make broad analogies and lump people into certain catafories then I firmly lump you into the one that beat the drum for harsher punishment on murder hobos and to bring back the KWS. To change the ability to pay off fines etc. I don’t think I heard my say on that matter.

I see the deck as stacked in favor of those in PG/solo as they have the power to make sweeping changes to the universe as they move unopposed.

As for my attitude I simply meet troll like behavior with troll aggression. That’s what this forum has come to in an entirety.

And you know who's been asking for most of them? I can guarantee you it's not PvE players. That's why we're fighting back. We're fed up with it.

As an open advocate and not a pvper as I have been labeled I feel we have been fighting back against this following of forum trolls the pve crowd has going. We are tired of it and finally glad to see that FDev realizes it’s their game and they can make any changes to it that they see fit. Take a look around, the forum is full of people acting like children which the pve crowd loves to refer to those in the PvP crowd as. People demanding refunds, this thread, the list goes on. I’ve seen people that never have tried PP or have left the game come back and say well if I ever decide to pick it up again I should be able to do PP in solo. That’s beyond aggravating for those of us actually committed to Pp itself.

 

[Sylveria]

As an open advocate and not a pvper as I have been labeled I feel we have been fighting back against this following of forum trolls the pve crowd has going. We are tired of it and finally glad to see that FDev realizes it’s their game and they can make any changes to it that they see fit. Take a look around, the forum is full of people acting like children which the pve crowd loves to refer to those in the PvP crowd as. People demanding refunds, this thread, the list goes on. I’ve seen people that never have tried PP or have left the game come back and say well if I ever decide to pick it up again I should be able to do PP in solo. That’s beyond aggravating for those of us actually committed to Pp itself.

This has been going on for years now. People have threatened to leave the game for many reasons (including... ready for it? PowerPlay!) and you know what? The game is still here.

I agree the trolling is tiring- it's gone on long enough, so let's all work together for a solution everyone can agree on rather than being divisive. Deal?

What do people have against PvE players doing their own thing in their own universe where it doesn't affect them in the slightest bit? Let's start there.

 

[Rubbernuke]

And you know who's been asking for most of them? I can guarantee you it's not PvE players. That's why we're fighting back. We're fed up with it.

I get you don't want general traffic channelled through Open, but thats not whats being discussed- I know FD are now Satanic liars in your eyes, but this discussion starts and ends with PP.

 

[Curvemn17]

This has been going on for years now. People have threatened to leave the game for many reasons (including... ready for it? PowerPlay!) and you know what? The game is still here.

I agree the trolling is tiring- it's gone on long enough, so let's all work together for a solution everyone can agree on rather than being divisive. Deal?

What do people have against PvE players doing their own thing in their own universe where it doesn't affect them in the slightest bit? Let's start there.

I can look at this from two stand points. As long as solo/pg allows PowerPlay you will have some powers that sit entirely in a pg. they are unopposable unless you want to see who can haul more or shoot more NPCs. You also have the option as some PvPers, which this bothers me, go to solo for engineering and pop into open to kill people. In my mind that’s no different than PP doing that as well for merits or what not. You also leave open the possibility for players to pledge to a power with the sole purpose of ruining them. 5c has gotten so much worse in the last year. With it you have the agreements amongst powers so the actual systems controlled by powers really haven’t changed hands very much.

This leads me to my example, I understand the BGS needs to stay as it is, but I’ll use my weekend as an example and how allied impacts PP on a greater scale. A faction war broke out, many factions came to the aid of each side and it escalated into all out war. However, one group after causing the conflict decided to drop to their Pg and just start killing sec ships and civilians in order to mess up the other groups BGS. While that is certainly with in the game mechanics it didn’t sit well with their allies who began to leave them. In turn it had an opposite effect, that system has now become known to the pvpers and basically is going to be a war zone for a few months now.

It’s that frustration to see your hard work ruined because another group may not be as good of pilots as you, but they have superior numbers be able to drop into a different dimension if you will and totally ruin your hard work.

For me it was my first real taste of that open conflict and it was a blast. Now apply that to PP. Powers can oppose each other as long as they do a good job recruiting people to every platform. Now the propaganda comes out. Then you get these conflicts. It will create a more unified community in that regard. Plus those that don’t want to worry about being shot at won’t have to because they don’t have to opt in.

 

[Sylveria]

I get you don't want general traffic channelled through Open, but thats not whats being discussed- I know FD are now Satanic liars in your eyes, but this discussion starts and ends with PP.

PP is a smokescreen. You know, it... I know it... and anyone who has half a brain who's been with this game since release knows it.

 

[Eidolon]

PP is a smokescreen. You know, it... I know it... and anyone who has half a brain who's been with this game since release knows it.

All we want as PvE'rs is Open PvE mode?
Yes please, take my money again FD

(also cockpit fluffy dice...maybe a hulagirl)

 

[Rubbernuke]

PP is a smokescreen. You know, it... I know it... and anyone who has half a brain who's been with this game since release knows it.

What do you think Powerplay is hiding?

 

[Sylveria]

What do you think Powerplay is hiding?

Damnit, now you've totally screwed up any respect I had for your ingenuity.

 

[Rubbernuke]

Damnit, now you've totally screwed up any respect I had for your ingenuity.

I have a genuine interest in what you think this is all about. FD conspiracies are cyclical in nature these days.

 

[Sylveria]

I have a genuine interest in what you think this is all about. FD conspiracies are cyclical in nature these days.

PP won't be enough. You know it as well as I do.

 

[Rubbernuke]

PP won't be enough. You know it as well as I do.

So your thoughts are that Open will leak out all over? I thought you had something else on the go.

In that case, we will simply have to see. I'm simply happy Powerplay is getting some well needed dev time, whatever shape it takes.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

What do you think Powerplay is hiding?

PP doesn't hide anything. Its just incredibly repetitive boring gameplay, possibly in the future that repetitive gameplay will be restricted to open.

But if it does go open only, then i hope it does hide away in open, and has zero impact on those in PG/solo. I've even gone so far as to say that Li Yong's discount shouldn't apply in PG/solo and the other power effects. If its going to go, it should damn well go.