Modes Why do you want me in Open?

[Sylveria]

Oh for gods sake. You linked dystopia with lawlessness and anarchy which they are NOT. How else is any reasonable person supposed to take that?

Look. I’m assigning you homework. Go watch Bladerunner. It features one of the finest fictional dystopias ever and get this: the protagonist is a cop!

I never made a claim, I only offered my own opinion of what some would think ED is about based on a complete out of context reference of my point to the subject of a perceived "disadvantage".

Yet, it seems you're (and possibly others) intent on derailing this thread from its OT as you continue a line of discussion about it.

 

[Blackcompany]

This.

ED was sold on the premise of there being stuff in the 400 billion star galaxy they harp on about all the time that has nothing in it. Few people backed or bought Elite just for pewpew - they wanted a life in a spaceship with a rich and deep universe to interact with.

And for the most part, not only have fdev failed to deliver on that...

They haven't even STARTED WORKING ON IT. Instead of depth and a simulated Galaxy, we got a year of RNG grind and (bad) MMO crafting systems, plus the two do nothing Betas desperately trying and failing to fix the combat that RNG upgrades broke.

 

[Marra Morgan]

Actually there is the nub of the problem - fun - for certain people the "fun" comes from engaging in combat. Suggesting it is dynamic is not really valid are there is nothing actually static in the game apart from the lobby of CQC ( ), arguing that combat with other players is emergent gameplay is just an excuse - it might be gameplay for the murderer but for the victim it is just an annoyance.

So, in truth, PvPers want more people in Open Play to increase their selfish fun at the expense of other people's enjoyment.

/thread

Here we go - another one presenting their opinion as truth.

Fella, just prefix it with "IMO" and it's fine!

 

[Sylveria]

Actually there is the nub of the problem - fun - for certain people the "fun" comes from engaging in combat. Suggesting it is dynamic is not really valid are there is nothing actually static in the game apart from the lobby of CQC ( ), arguing that combat with other players is emergent gameplay is just an excuse - it might be gameplay for the murderer but for the victim it is just an annoyance.

So, in truth, PvPers want more people in Open Play to increase their selfish fun at the expense of other people's enjoyment.

/thread

QFT

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

I never made a claim, I only offered my own opinion of what some would think ED is about based on a complete out of context reference of my point to the subject of a perceived "disadvantage".

Yet, it seems you're (and possibly others) intent on derailing this thread from its OT as you continue a line of discussion about it.

You gonna watch Bladerunner, or not?

Might be your only chance to pass this class.

 

[Para Handy]

Here we go - another one presenting their opinion as truth.

Fella, just prefix it with "IMO" and it's fine!

Yeah, my opinion - but are you contradicting it? - After all it is what the person I quoted said - "it is about fun" (I paraphrase).

You personally get your "fun" by pirating other players (you boast about it), just because you don't kill-on-sight, doesn't mean you are not preying on others for your fun - and yes you do murder those that won't play ball so don't try saying you are totally different / innocent.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Yeah, my opinion - but are you contradicting it? - After all it is what the person I quoted said - "it is about fun" (I paraphrase).

You personally get your "fun" by pirating other players (you boast about it), just because you don't kill-on-sight, doen't mean you are not preying on others for your fun - and yes you do murder those that won't play ball so don't try saying you are totally different / innocent.

IMHO, everyone is each other's content in Open. When I click Open, I accept other people may act in such a way that provides entertainment to them, without it being necessarily fun to me. If I didnt like the concept, I wouldnt enter Open. So these concepts of 'innocent' and 'selfish reasons' are a bit silly. Its almost like complaining a defender tackles another player for 'selfish reasons'. It kinda is, but its also kinda how the game works. And as long as we dont force people to play the game I dont see the issue.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Moderators - this thread hasn't stayed on topic and I have all the answers I'm going to get.

While I would like the social aspects that have been claimed for open, they haven't materialized when I've been there, and some of the comments in this thread are representative of the trollish juvenile behaviour that I prefer to avoid.

Until there is an Open PvE mode, my best option is Mobius.

For the mature adults that represent the majority in Open, apologies for not wanting to share your mode, but the minority make it unattractive to me.
I hope Open PP brings you what you want it to, you are welcome to it.

/thread

 

[Space Mage]

Actually there is the nub of the problem - fun - for certain people the "fun" comes from engaging in combat. Suggesting it is dynamic is not really valid are there is nothing actually static in the game apart from the lobby of CQC ( ), arguing that combat with other players is emergent gameplay is just an excuse - it might be gameplay for the murderer but for the victim it is just an annoyance.

So, in truth, PvPers want more people in Open Play to increase their selfish fun at the expense of other people's enjoyment.

/thread

At the expense of who's enjoyment exactly? People who like to haul stuff already have a dozen variations of "move cargo around the bubble" to enjoy, PvPers don't have any meaningful activities to do though that aren't hamstrung by solo/pg.

 

[Para Handy]

IMHO, everyone is each other's content in Open. When I click Open, I accept other people may act in such a way that provides entertainment to them, without it being necessarily fun to me. If I didnt like the concept, I wouldnt enter Open. So these concepts of 'innocent' and 'selfish reasons' are a bit silly. Its almost like complaining a defender tackles another player for 'selfish reasons'. It kinda is, but its also kinda how the game works. And as long as we dont force people to play the game I dont see the issue.

Until you force them into open to take part in PP.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Should it??? Point me to a real world conflict example where a country will accept significant and cumulative destruction of its economic transport fleet (in real world examples commercial shipping and commercial air) EXCEPT in existential type conflicts...
Britain and Japan accepted it in World War 2 as they were locked in life and death struggles...nobody is going to accept it over petty border-struggles at a level BELOW that of full-conflict...
Which is what PP struggles ARE...
There's NO state of War between the Federation and the Empire (much less between factions of the Powers) its a "cold-war" type struggle of economic conflict, political maneuvering and low-level insurgency

Tht's not true at all.
Actively killing enemy faction members is part and parcel of PP, NPC and Cmdr alike.

 

[Para Handy]

..............., PvPers don't have any meaningful activities to do though that aren't hamstrung by solo/pg.

Look up sophistry.

 

[Sylveria]

IMHO, everyone is each other's content in Open. When I click Open, I accept other people may act in such a way that provides entertainment to them, without it being necessarily fun to me. If I didnt like the concept, I wouldnt enter Open. So these concepts of 'innocent' and 'selfish reasons' are a bit silly. Its almost like complaining a defender tackles another player for 'selfish reasons'. It kinda is, but its also kinda how the game works. And as long as we dont force people to play the game I dont see the issue.

Except, the last part is a bit of a misnomer, is it not? "If you don't like it, don't play!"

What about those who bought the game for a different purpose other than to be preyed upon? Then it's "Go to PG's/Solo"

Then, some in Open want it to be more populated, so it's "Make the game Open only!"

Nevermind the fact that PG's is limited in size and has no options to control PvP combat, nor some would like to play cooperatively with others without being someone else's "prey".

Everyone who bought this game is a customer. Everyone deserves to play.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Yeah, my opinion - but are you contradicting it? - After all it is what the person I quoted said - "it is about fun" (I paraphrase).

You personally get your "fun" by pirating other players (you boast about it), just because you don't kill-on-sight, doesn't mean you are not preying on others for your fun - and yes you do murder those that won't play ball so don't try saying you are totally different / innocent.

You are presenting your opinion as a statement of fact of others' motivations.

That's not actually opinion.

 

[Sylveria]

You are presenting your opinion as a statement of fact of others' motivations.

That's not actually opinion.

And the contradicting fact is? All I've seen so far is "prey for predators".

That's essentially all it ever boils down to. Someone wanting to prey upon another for their own reasons.

I mean, if there's something "outside" of that I'm missing, I'd love to hear it.

 

[Space Mage]

Look up sophistry.

So do you want bored PvPers to continue to show up at CGs and shoot everything they see? Because that's what's happening right now.

 

[Para Handy]

You are presenting your opinion as a statement of fact of others' motivations.

That's not actually opinion.

So they don't want people in open for their fun --- why then? do tell, I am all ears.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Except, the last part is a bit of a misnomer, is it not? "If you don't like it, don't play!"

What about those who bought the game for a different purpose other than to be preyed upon? Then it's "Go to PG's/Solo"

Yes, if you dont like it, dont play it. If you dont like any of the modes, you bought the wrong game. Its not rocket science. FD has clearly said over and over that the very idea of 'griefcondas' killing 'noobwinders' (their words) is totally within the very concept of ED. And no, as people keep explaining to you over and over and over and over again, PP isnt suggested to be 'open only' to 'lure people into Open'. Its done to make the feature work for people in Open. Noone cares if you stay out, or even quit all together.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

This thread isn't about PP.

You should tell that to all the people who are talking about being forced into open...

 

[Marra Morgan]

Yeah, my opinion - but are you contradicting it? - After all it is what the person I quoted said - "it is about fun" (I paraphrase).

You personally get your "fun" by pirating other players (you boast about it), just because you don't kill-on-sight, doesn't mean you are not preying on others for your fun - and yes you do murder those that won't play ball so don't try saying you are totally different / innocent.

Well yeah, of course it's fun!

If I wanted not-fun, I'd put in for overtime at work!

I just take objection to opinions being stated as facts or truths.