Modes Why do you want me in Open?

[Bob Lighthouse]

So they don't want people in open for their fun --- why then? do tell, I am all ears.

Are you conceding the point I made, or trying to hand-wave it and build a diversion?

 

[Sylveria]

Yes, if you dont like it, dont play it. If you dont like any of the modes, you bought the wrong game. Its not rocket science. FD has clearly said over and over that the very idea of 'griefcondas' killing 'noobwinders' (their words) is totally within the very concept of ED. And no, as people keep explaining to you over and over and over and over again, PP isnt suggested to be 'open only' to 'lure people into Open'. Its done to make the feature work for people in Open. Noone cares if you stay out, or even quit all together.

The same could be said for the "Doooooom!!!" argument from those who whine about PvP being "meaningful" and PP needing to be moved to Open only.

Oh, but that's "different", right? Changes absolutely have​ to be made to cater to the PvP crowd!

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

 

[Para Handy]

So do you want bored PvPers to continue to show up at CGs and shoot everything they see? Because that's what's happening right now.

Now we get reductio ad absurdum - " we have nobody to fight so we come and kill anybody we can find" - that is caused by solo / PG? - Nope, that is caused by fish-in-a-barrel syndrome. If you want fights with other players - organise one.

Are you conceding the point I made, or trying to hand-wave it and build a diversion?

No I am saying you need to tell me why PvP players want more people in open if it is not to increase their own fun.

 

[Ian Skippy]

The same could be said for the "Doooooom!!!" argument from those who whine about PvP being "meaningful" and PP needing to be moved to Open only.

Oh, but that's "different", right? Changes absolutely have​ to be made to cater to the PvP crowd!

I have no idea what point, if any, you are trying to make. But yeah, I do feel its important that every type of player has meaningful content, including explorers, miners, PvE combat, traders and, strangely enough, PvP players. I dont despise any group of players the way you do, so I am happy to see people getting the content they are looking for. Just like I am very pleased with the idea of mining overhaul in Q4, despite me personally not caring much about mining at all.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Here, let me help:

Everyone here knows the Elite: Dangerous universe is a dystopia?

Riiiiiiiight?

And if it were meant to be completely "lawless" and "anarchistic" there would be no organization of groups or policing forces- just a lot of random NPC's and players shooting at each other.

Of course, that's what you're really after here, isn't it? Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

Context. It's important.

Who exactly claimed "it were meant to be completely "lawless" and "anarchistic""???
Hint: No one.

If you're not implying that's what a dystopia is, then you are just making a fallacious diversion.

***That's an actual strawman, for all of you in this forum who constantly misuse the term!!!***

 

[Space Mage]

Now we get reductio ad absurdum - " we have nobody to fight so we come and kill anybody we can find" - that is caused by solo / PG? - Nope, that is caused by fish-in-a-barrel syndrome. If you want fights with other players - organise one.

CGs are just the natural place for PvPers to meet and there can't always be fights, gotta shoot something in the meantime. As far as organizing I've literally fought hundreds of organized fights, it's fun but ultimately pointless within the context of the game. Also you should really check out r/iamverysmart I think you'll fit right in.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Now we get reductio ad absurdum - " we have nobody to fight so we come and kill anybody we can find" - that is caused by solo / PG? - Nope, that is caused by fish-in-a-barrel syndrome. If you want fights with other players - organise one.



No I am saying you need to tell me why PvP players want more people in open if it is not to increase their own fun.

I already answered from my own perspective.

Why won't you concede the point?
Why do you think it's OK to pigeonhole people?

 

[Sylveria]

I have no idea what point, if any, you are trying to make. But yeah, I do feel its important that every type of player has meaningful content, including explorers, miners, PvE combat, traders and, strangely enough, PvP players. I dont despise any group of players the way you do, so I am happy to see people getting the content they are looking for. Just like I am very pleased with the idea of mining overhaul in Q4, despite me personally not caring much about mining at all.

The point is, telling others they should "not play the game if they don't like the way it is" is just the same as telling those who are discontented with certain aspects of the game from other viewpoints is complete and utter hypocrisy. They should be doing the same, no? "don't like it, don't play it then".

 

[verminstar]

So after 25 pages on just this thread alone, the final page shows the result...basically this is what popcorn was made for and realistically, this debate never even got off the ground... like every other thread has been on the subject. It will go on another 25 pages and still, fighting like cat and dog and the result wont be much different.

Without Frontiers input, this aint gonna ever be sorted...realistically ^

 

[Sylveria]

I already answered from my own perspective.

Why won't you concede the point?
Why do you think it's OK to pigeonhole people?

For the same reasons PvPer's think PvErs should be their "prey"? Isn't that pigeonholing, too?

 

[Sylveria]

So after 25 pages on just this thread alone, the final page shows the result...basically this is what popcorn was made for and realistically, this debate never even got off the ground... like every other thread has been on the subject. It will go on another 25 pages and still, fighting like cat and dog and the result wont be much different.

Without Frontiers input, this aint gonna ever be sorted...realistically ^

Aye, and if they think some will just "toddle off" and quit playing because they're discontented as to the outcome, they're foolish indeed.

 

[Ian Skippy]

The point is, telling others they should "not play the game if they don't like the way it is" is just the same as telling those who are discontented with certain aspects of the game from other viewpoints is complete and utter hypocrisy. They should be doing the same, no? "don't like it, don't play it then".

I think you are confused. If you dont like it, you can leave. If I dont like it, I can leave.

But if Sandro dont like it, he can change it. And if you or I dont like that, I refer you to the above statement.

 

[Sylveria]

I think you are confused. If you dont like it, you can leave. If I dont like it, I can leave.

But if Sandro dont like it, he can change it. And if you or I dont like it, I refer you to the above statement.

I'm glad to see that you and I are in agreement then- we all have the same rights. Those feeling discontent with being someone else's prey may speak out just as much as those who feel they have the right to be a predator.

 

[Goose4291]

PvPers think PvErs should be their "prey"? Isn't that pigeonholing, too?

Citation required.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

For the same reasons PvPer's think PvErs should be their "prey"? Isn't that pigeonholing, too?

Yes, *you* are pigeonholing right now.
But your responses are generally, totally irrational, so par I say.

 

[Sylveria]

Citation required.

Um, every forum snipe that has ever referenced others as being their "content"?

Do you need help using the Search system in the forum?

 

[Deleted member 115407]

The Elite dystopia is all about corporate elites, corrupt governments, trigger-happy law enforcement and galactic scale Machiavellian manuevering - not just anarchy and lawlessness.

That context thing you're on about - I agree, very important.

This is why I love my friends. Cyberpunk in space 4 life.

 

[Goose4291]

Um, every forum snipe that has ever referenced others as being their "content"?

Do you need help using the Search system in the forum?

Considering you regularly attribute this as my mindset:

Citation required

 

[Sylveria]

Yes, *you* are pigeonholing right now.
But your responses are generally, totally irrational, so par I say.

LOL yes, let's simply imply that someone else is being "irrational" with their responses because we clearly have nothing better to respond with, shall we?

 

[Goose4291]

LOL yes, let's simply imply that someone else is being "irrational" with their responses because we clearly have nothing better to respond with, shall we?