Where is the paid 'content' LEP holder get for 'free'

[Luniticisi]

That "reality" is profoundly disappointing for anyone who watched Braben's original videos, or even read dev descriptions of what they planned for Thargoids and Beyond. Most of those "features" you're describing don't even work properly at a basic level much less reassemble what was originally described. The situation with the LEP and game content is entirely the fault of Braben and FD deciding to underdevelop Elite over the past 3.5 years. We're talking about a franchise that had brought in at least $100 million USD of revenue for FD so far (and that is a VERY conservative estimate based on financial data that is several years out of date now). The quality that we've gotten in Elite so far is appalling, and the ludicrous monetization of laser colors for $1.75 USD each is just adding insult to injury. The fact that LEP owners haven't seen anywhere near proper value for what they paid, which was equivalent to four full years of Horizons-equivalent expansions, should tell you this very clearly.

The big problem with Elite has been multi-player.... that's it. the quality of Elite itself has been great. Again, the life of the game is not over. you cannot judge until then.

 

[Enderby]

Treading water

 

[Drelthar]

...such as multicrew which hasn't been improved in the past 15 months since it was launched....

Honestly, adding the Krait, and a bunch of new multicrew weapons, and the thargoids, improved the fwump out of multicrew.

But I know what you're saying, you're talking about the actual roles and the gameplay therein, I just think it's innacuraate to say it's not been improved at all. It has, just not in the way that would make it awesome.

 

[Ian Skippy]

That "reality" is profoundly disappointing for anyone who watched Braben's original videos, or even read dev descriptions of what they planned for multicrew, Thargoids and Beyond. Most of those "features" you're describing don't even work properly at a basic level much less correspond to the quality of gameplay that was originally described. The situation with the LEP and game content is entirely the fault of Braben and FD deciding to underdevelop Elite over the past 3.5 years. We're talking about a franchise that has brought in at least $100 million USD of revenue for FD so far (and that is a VERY conservative estimate based on financial data that is several years out of date now). The quality of the "content" that we've gotten so far in Elite has been appalling, and the ludicrous monetization of laser colors for $1.75 USD each is just adding insult to injury. The fact that LEP owners haven't seen anywhere near proper value for what they paid, which was priced at the same level as four full years of Horizons-equivalent expansions, should tell you this very clearly.

You still completely dodge how you go on angry nerd-rampage about a game that actually has functioning gameplay, while consistently praising a rival product that fails on every comparison level yet is somehow excused because 'it is still in development'. NMS is still in development. ED is still in development. Heck, X:R is still in development, and so are a ton of other space games. So why do you insist on ripping on everything that actually exists, while praising something that only exists in your mind? Its an honest question, because you seem to be missing out on the golden renaissance of space games just because of some odd figment of your imagination. Which, ultimately, is just your loss and your problem to deal with.

ED is a fun game, and all of it is available for $18. Money well spend for any fan of the genre. Will it improve? Wait and see.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Considering I've spent more money on cosmetics, than I have on the game including acquiring the LEP, I'd say that it would be in Frontier's best interests to continue to impress me... at least if they want to continue getting my money. After all, I haven't bought paint jobs yet for the Anaconda, Imperial Clipper, Imperial Cutter (once I've got the rank, of course), ship kits for the same plus the Python and AspX, and of course they may introduce clothing options for our Commanders that may be more suitably Imperial than what we have now.

Oh, and sooner or later I'll give in and buy a Krait Mk. II. I'll need a paint job for that too.

It doesn't matter. FD already has your money. They legally can't ask for more from you, to access new content. When it comes to new content, the opinion of your LEP account is worthless. Note, I say account, not you as a person. Yes, your non-LEP account needs to be impressed. I'm not disputing that.

But your LEP account? The money has moved for all the content, before said content even exists.

 

[Devari]

The big problem with Elite has been multi-player.... that's it. the quality of Elite itself has been great.

What "quality" about Elite has been "great" exactly? The repetitive combat gameplay? The nearly complete lack of useful trading tools that has required players to use third-party sites since the game launched? Or maybe the engaging "exploration" gameplay that consists of jumping over and over and occasionally pointing your ship nose at a planet?

Again, the life of the game is not over.

It has been 3.5 years now and most of the core game mechanics have not yet been properly implemented. They haven't expanded multicrew for 15 months since it launched, at this rate it will take many years just to get the core game features properly working.

you cannot judge until then.

Sorry but I think the $275 I've put into Elite, which doesn't even include the $40 I spent on a second account, plus over 2400 hours of gameplay so far over the past 3.5 years means that I can very much judge the quality of the game I've been playing.

 

[Drelthar]

The big problem with Elite has been multi-player.... that's it. the quality of Elite itself has been great. Again, the life of the game is not over. you cannot judge until then.

Well, it's probably been the big technical problem yeah.

I would be way less excited about the game if it was single player though.

The reason I was so into it was because I always thought "Wouldn't Elite be amazing if other people could fly around with you, or even attack you..."

 

[Devari]

You still completely dodge how you go on angry nerd-rampage about a game that actually has functioning gameplay, while consistently praising a rival product that fails on every comparison level yet is somehow excused because 'it is still in development'. NMS is still in development. ED is still in development. Heck, X:R is still in development, and so are a ton of other space games. So why do you insist on ripping on everything that actually exists, while praising something that only exists in your mind? Its an honest question, because you seem to be missing out on the golden renaissance of space games just because of some odd figment of your imagination. Which, ultimately, is just your loss and your problem to deal with.

ED is a fun game, and all of it is available for $18. Money well spend for any fan of the genre. Will it improve? Wait and see.

Your thinly-veiled personal attacks and insistence on continuing a discussion that the mods have very clearly asked to be discontinued is trolling and does not contribute to the relevant discussion in this thread.

I would advise you consider this very carefully before posting your next response.

 

[Sweet&Dandy]

What "quality" about Elite has been "great" exactly? The repetitive combat gameplay? The nearly complete lack of useful trading tools that has required players to use third-party sites since the game launched? Or maybe the engaging "exploration" gameplay that consists of jumping over and over and occasionally pointing you ship nose at a planet?



It has been 3.5 years now and most of the core game mechanics have not yet been properly implemented. They haven't expanded multicrew for 15 months since it launched, at this rate it will take many years just to get the core game features properly working.



Sorry but I think the $275 I've put into Elite, which doesn't even include the $40 I spent on a second account, plus over 2400 hours of gameplay so far over the past 3.5 years means that I can very much judge the quality of the game I've been playing.

2400 hours? Can’t be that bad! lol

 

[Ian Skippy]

What "quality" about Elite has been "great" exactly?

The fantastic flight model, world-class audio, rock-solid performance, state-of-the-art VR support, a wide range of ships to fly, great ship customization, a stunning galaxy with insane real-life vistas to see.

That should be enough for, you know, a game. That exists.

 

[Enderby]

The fantastic flight model, world-class audio, rock-solid performance, state-of-the-art VR support, a wide range of ships to fly, great ship customization, a stunning galaxy with insane real-life vistas to see.

That should be enough for, you know, a game.

If they add a ‘game’ to it it could be great.

 

[Devari]

2400 hours? Can’t be that bad! lol

Compared to what I was expecting at this point in Elite development, yes, it certainly can.

 

[DeathStroke]

It doesn't matter. FD already has your money. They legally can't ask for more from you, to access new content. When it comes to new content, the opinion of your LEP account is worthless. Note, I say account, not you as a person. Yes, your non-LEP account needs to be impressed. I'm not disputing that.

But your LEP account? The money has moved for all the content, before said content even exists.

Yeah, treating LEP holders as second class citizens is a great business practice. Do I need to file a complaint with the BBB to get what I paid for?

The fantastic flight model, world-class audio, rock-solid performance, state-of-the-art VR support, a wide range of ships to fly, great ship customization, a stunning galaxy with insane real-life vistas to see.

Hey, one out of 8 aint bad... Oh wait....

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Yeah, treating LEP holders as second class citizens is a great business practice. Do I need to file a complaint with the BBB to get what I paid for?

You have got what you paid for. That's my point.

 

[Luniticisi]

Sorry but I think the $275 I've put into Elite, which doesn't even include the $40 I spent on a second account, plus over 2400 hours of gameplay so far over the past 3.5 years means that I can very much judge the quality of the game I've been playing.

can you say you have spent 2400 hours in another game?

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I really find it sad that some LEP owners are growing ever more disatisfied with their purchase as time goes on. It shows one thing: you guys simply can't accept responsibility for your actions.

Back when you bought the LEP, this LEP really only gave you one thing: access to the game as it existed at the time of purchase. That was the value of your LEP, and nothing more. Sure it also gave you access to any potential future developments and additions, but that obviously has no real value until those additions do come to the game if ever.

So back then your LEP had a set price but a baseline value that could either go up with time or stay the same (until Frontier removes your access to the game when they shut down the servers). But you hoped that this value would go up, to the point that hopefully it would justify the price you had paid for it and maybe some more.

Still, if you're a reasonable and sensible adult, you should consider any gamble is lost until it is not. So why is it you are growing angry at Frontier over the LEP now? Your LEP hasn't lost any of its value, and for all of you it actually has increased in value because there have been additions and improvements to the game since you bought it. You weren't angry back when your LEP was worth less, in fact you were happy enough to buy it. And yet, as time goes and Frontier improves the game, you guys are growing fixated on the fact you haven't "saved" enough money to justify the money you spent on that LEP. And you're afraid you never will if Frontier drops paid expansions entirely.

So you gambled, but instead of accepting you were taking a calculated risk and that what you were getting back then was potentially all you were going to get, you assumed Frontier owed you and that you were entitled to making your money back. But they don't and you aren't, that was never part of the deal and you need to take responsibility and accept, without rancour, that you could lose your bet entirely.

Not that I believe you will. I'll stil not buy the LEP, because I don't gamble and I want to keep some bargaining power, however little it may be.

I suggest the LEP'ers read this post.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Yeah, treating LEP holders as second class citizens is a great business practice. Do I need to file a complaint with the BBB to get what I paid for?

You are being treated like everyone else, rather than whatever you think you are. Feel free to complain to whomever you want about that if you want.

 

[Drelthar]

That should be enough for, you know, a game. That exists.

UNACCEPTABUBBLE!

 

[Montague]

Do you have proof that LEP money is or isn't ring-fenced? Because if it isn't, chances are it's already spent....

"Non-current deferred income is due to be recognised over the expected remaining life of the franchise period. At 31 May 2017 the expected remaining life of the franchise is considered to be four and a half years. The deferred revenue is in respect of Elite Dangerous lifetime expansion passes purchased during the financial year and Elite Dangerous: Horizons revenue in respect of future promised content."

Page 44 of FD's 2017 annual report to shareholders.

 

[DeathStroke]

You have got what you paid for. That's my point.

I have not got what I paid for. That's my point.