Community Event / Creation ***Attention Explorers*** GNOSIS Jumps planned THROUGH a permit Lock !

I'll bring along the complete Sopranos box set. We can all do with watching that again, yes? Good.

I've started re watching House M.D because Hugh Laurie said in an interview that he would occasionally switch the side he limped on to see if anyone would notice and i'm not sure if he is trolling or not
 
As someone who's been beyond Beagle Point I can say that's not entirely accurate.

Explorers, both real life and in games go strange places because they can put their name on it (and/or discovery of heretofore unknown resources). Think of Everest and all the people who've climbed it and planted a flag. While everyone remembers Sir Edmund Hillary, he wasn't the only one to plant a flag, and each expedition is pretty well known, at least in mountaineering circles.

The thing is, in Elite only ONE CMDR gets to plant their flag, ever, and everyone else is an unknown (excepting the rare occasions of winged first discoveries).

So as to my question, if the systems, suns and planets look the same in the Cone Nebula as everywhere else, why go? The main sequence stars there aren't rainbow colored and full of cotton candy, they look the same as every other sun in the galaxy. If there's no visual spectacle to be had (i.e. the view from the summit), and the fame and fortune has already been had by someone else, then what is the point, really?

I mean, honestly if exploration didn't allow you to put your name on something then how motivated would you REALLY be to see your ten thousandth yellow sun that looks exactly the same as Sol?

I think everyone has his own motivations.

I for instance can't remember a single name on any system "first discovered" tag, not even from the most popular/famous systems. And even though I sometimes see the names on the system map, 30 seconds later I already forgot. I can't even remember (nor do I care to be honest) a single system where I was the one to "plant the flag".

So from my own personal point of view, first discovery tags are rather pointless, unlike the guy who climbed Everest first (which I only learn about from your post, and most likely have forgotten about in an hour :D ), I doubt anyone actually notices the names on the tags, and still remembers them after a few minutes.

The reasons I explore in the game are the same reasons why I want (and some cases already did) to climb to the summit of Mount Teide, Mount Vesuvius, Mount Stromboli, Mount Tambora, Mount Nyiragongo (especially this one, probably next fall if nothing wrong happens meanwhile), Mount Masaya, Mount Yasur, Mount Marum, etc. To see the wondrous sights and stare in awe, humbled by the sheer raw power of Nature's mightiest creations, see them and feel them with my own eyes and senses. The fact many others were there before won't matter one yota when I'm on top of Nyiragongo's 3500meter summit, staring in equally high doses of both fear and wonder at it's 2km wide, 770m dead drop caldera and it's huge, oozling, glowing, almost hipnotic lava lake.

I explore in ED to see the Nyiragongo's out there, to experience the galaxy's most wondrous locations (or die trying), to see the biggest mountains, the deepest canyons, the planets closets to the stars, etc etc. Who got there first matters jack to me, as long as I can go there as well. Landing at Betelgeuse 2 or Hades Edge 1 and see the monstrous, gargantuan sunrises didn't feel any less exciting just because someone else (whose name I will never remember) got there first.

As for ED's planets, while most do actually look all the same (especially since the topography nerf which came with the beigening), there are still always a small fraction of them who are different, and those are the ones worth finding.

But this is me, to each his own :) My way is neither better nor worse than someone else's way.
 
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Explorers, both real life and in games go strange places because they can put their name on it (and/or discovery of heretofore unknown resources). Think of Everest and all the people who've climbed it and planted a flag. While everyone remembers Sir Edmund Hillary, he wasn't the only one to plant a flag, and each expedition is pretty well known, at least in mountaineering circles.

I was dead keen when starting the game to discover at least one planet/system and plant my flag. Now that's been achieved, further discoveries are cool but even if I was first on 10,000 more planets it's a vanishingly small percent of the galaxy at large, so I don't think you can play only for that. I'm going for the craic.

In the current system, with the station way out from arrival, I've done some mining runs to get water and liquid O2 for the roleplay mostly. Tonight I've just chilled at the station for a bit and scan / datamined a few passing ships. It's exploring Jim but not as we know it.
 
As someone who's been beyond Beagle Point I can say that's not entirely accurate.

Explorers, both real life and in games go strange places because they can put their name on it (and/or discovery of heretofore unknown resources). Think of Everest and all the people who've climbed it and planted a flag. While everyone remembers Sir Edmund Hillary, he wasn't the only one to plant a flag, and each expedition is pretty well known, at least in mountaineering circles.

The thing is, in Elite only ONE CMDR gets to plant their flag, ever, and everyone else is an unknown (excepting the rare occasions of winged first discoveries).

So as to my question, if the systems, suns and planets look the same in the Cone Nebula as everywhere else, why go? The main sequence stars there aren't rainbow colored and full of cotton candy, they look the same as every other sun in the galaxy. If there's no visual spectacle to be had (i.e. the view from the summit), and the fame and fortune has already been had by someone else, then what is the point, really?

I mean, honestly if exploration didn't allow you to put your name on something then how motivated would you REALLY be to see your ten thousandth yellow sun that looks exactly the same as Sol?

Pre 2.1 when the region was open planetary landing was not in the game yet and one of the more recent patches reworked a lot of the planetary texturing so it's shouldn't be a case of just a different shovel
 
I mean most of you are lucky. I'm on Xbox.

But there is a sizable exploration community on Xbox, and knowing many of them personally, they fly in Open in the black, because it's safe.

I don't like Canonn. Deal with it. As far as I'm concerned they're just regular players who deserve no special treatment.

Anyway, I'm off the forums now. Got some multicannons to arm, and shield boosters to fit.



I'm sorry for shattering the illusion that Explorers are special and should be immune to a well-planned gank.

You're not, if you're in Open.

By the way, Rammstein is the perfect anthem for this campaign.

And then you wonder why you stay at home and spend most of your life on your x-box. You obviously have a problem and need to use transference to try and get even. Only you are just hiding behind a false wall and obviously you feel you can reverse the roles of real life into picking on the vulnerable online. 99% of the people on this game have done you no harm try helping and not hindering to feel better, it might help with your problem I refer to your post titled "How do I tell everyone around me that I'm sick of it?"

As for killing everyone on the mission we can just re-buy for the duration or play in a safe mode. Be careful you don't become the hunted instead of the hunter. Bullying the weak is not the way forward, don't become one just to feed your ego do it the right way and help out.

Fly safe Cmdr's
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Some EDSM reconnaissance reveals multiple cmdr visits to the 6 systems I checked in the region. Don't go here if you are looking for first discoveries.
 
With the greatly increased jump ranges now (upto 331ly iirc using star boosts) surely we could just jump past the permit locks and bag them anyways?
 
Some EDSM reconnaissance reveals multiple cmdr visits to the 6 systems I checked in the region. Don't go here if you are looking for first discoveries.

EDSM knows about quite a few systems in the Cone Sector, but I'm not actually sure what that's telling me. None of them that I've found have any bodies entered, for instance. I guess we'll find out when we get there!

On the other hand, don't despair for totally untouched systems. Scrolling around the galaxy map away from the immediate vicinity of the nebula, I found plenty of systems that aren't known to EDSM at all.
 
With the greatly increased jump ranges now (upto 331ly iirc using star boosts) surely we could just jump past the permit locks and bag them anyways?

333.84 with no scanners
331.88 with both scanners, with surface unmodified.
328.36 with scanners and 2G vehicle bay
327.2 with scanners, vehicle and 4D shield G5 enhanced low power. (which honestly to me is the least I'd like to go out with, if I'm actually exploring)

I personally have the detailed surface scanner set up on fast scan which adds another 1.3 tons on top of all i have here and also using a 4D Distributor with a G5 engine focus on it so i can still boost. Sitting at 325.16 after a Neutron charge. I mean maybe the extra 8.68 ly gets you somewhere? I dont know. I'll take all those light weight QoL goodies myself.

Edit: 324.92ly

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....959/35F3246CE489B9BC7F4280E6ABE60E57042FAEB7/
 
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I for instance can't remember a single name on any system "first discovered" tag, not even from the most popular/famous systems. And even though I sometimes see the names on the system map, 30 seconds later I already forgot. I can't even remember (nor do I care to be honest) a single system where I was the one to "plant the flag".

You are right, but everything is still not that simple :)

For sometimes looking at system map I find myself thinking "Hey, I know that guy!" or "OMG I'm in the system, discovered by the famous XXX" [big grin]
 
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333.84 with no scanners
331.88 with both scanners, with surface unmodified.
328.36 with scanners and 2G vehicle bay
327.2 with scanners, vehicle and 4D shield G5 enhanced low power. (which honestly to me is the least I'd like to go out with, if I'm actually exploring)

I personally have the detailed surface scanner set up on fast scan which adds another 1.3 tons on top of all i have here and also using a 4D Distributor with a G5 engine focus on it so i can still boost. Sitting at 325.16 after a Neutron charge. I mean maybe the extra 8.68 ly gets you somewhere? I dont know. I'll take all those light weight QoL goodies myself.

Edit: 324.92ly

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....959/35F3246CE489B9BC7F4280E6ABE60E57042FAEB7/

What is your unboosted jump range?
 
I think everyone has his own motivations.

I for instance can't remember a single name on any system "first discovered" tag, not even from the most popular/famous systems. And even though I sometimes see the names on the system map, 30 seconds later I already forgot. I can't even remember (nor do I care to be honest) a single system where I was the one to "plant the flag".

So from my own personal point of view, first discovery tags are rather pointless, unlike the guy who climbed Everest first (which I only learn about from your post, and most likely have forgotten about in an hour :D ), I doubt anyone actually notices the names on the tags, and still remembers them after a few minutes.

The reasons I explore in the game are the same reasons why I want (and some cases already did) to climb to the summit of Mount Teide, Mount Vesuvius, Mount Stromboli, Mount Tambora, Mount Nyiragongo (especially this one, probably next fall if nothing wrong happens meanwhile), Mount Masaya, Mount Yasur, Mount Marum, etc. To see the wondrous sights and stare in awe, humbled by the sheer raw power of Nature's mightiest creations, see them and feel them with my own eyes and senses. The fact many others were there before won't matter one yota when I'm on top of Nyiragongo's 3500meter summit, staring in equally high doses of both fear and wonder at it's 2km wide, 770m dead drop caldera and it's huge, oozling, glowing, almost hipnotic lava lake.

I explore in ED to see the Nyiragongo's out there, to experience the galaxy's most wondrous locations (or die trying), to see the biggest mountains, the deepest canyons, the planets closets to the stars, etc etc. Who got there first matters jack to me, as long as I can go there as well. Landing at Betelgeuse 2 or Hades Edge 1 and see the monstrous, gargantuan sunrises didn't feel any less exciting just because someone else (whose name I will never remember) got there first.

As for ED's planets, while most do actually look all the same (especially since the topography nerf which came with the beigening), there are still always a small fraction of them who are different, and those are the ones worth finding.

But this is me, to each his own :) My way is neither better nor worse than someone else's way.

I learned very quickly that exploration for me was not merely about marking a name on things. In all fairness, if I find a valuable planet or system untouched and end up getting my tag on it, I do get a feeling of achievement and pride about the task, and take a few screenshots to preserve the memory, but days or even hours later I'll have forgotten about its very existence. (There are a few exceptions, though, such as my system in Nyuena sector some 1800LY above Sagittarius A*, for historical reasons, and that L class primary with the ammonia world near the Omega Nebula.)

That then led to an epiphany. Exploration wasn't about the places for me. It was about the moments. The visuals, the sights, the experiences. If I find a picturesque nebula or the planets in a perfect alignment over a surface formation, or the galaxy coming to life around a beautiful star, or my ship in a good position around another stellar formation, then it's all good. That single moment of beauty belongs to me (and others if they are present).

Nowadays, when off on my travels, I do keep an eye out for that next perfect moment, what I like to call The Ultimate. I have no idea where it will be or what form it will take. It could be on the distant rim of the galaxy, or even in that ice rock in the rings of Saturn.

As for me, this expedition has me excited just for the thrill of being in a sector surrounded entirely by a 400+LY-deep barrier of impassable space.
 
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Hi there. As it seems I am ahead of my schedule , I am going to catch the gnosis at HD xxxxx. So one question if anyone knows : what kind of fitting can be found on the ship? Is it possible to revert from an exploconda to a toughier and punchy version or will i bevshort on suitable modules ? Cause I am at a crossroad from which i can go fetch a speed scout oriented imperial courrier or come directly with the conda. Any advice ? Thanks.
 
Hi there. As it seems I am ahead of my schedule , I am going to catch the gnosis at HD xxxxx. So one question if anyone knows : what kind of fitting can be found on the ship? Is it possible to revert from an exploconda to a toughier and punchy version or will i bevshort on suitable modules ? Cause I am at a crossroad from which i can go fetch a speed scout oriented imperial courrier or come directly with the conda. Any advice ? Thanks.

Don't expect too much.
Here's the outfit options on the Gnosis.
https://eddb.io/station/outfitting/66754
 
Is it possible to revert from an exploconda to a toughier and punchy version or will i bevshort on suitable modules?

There is some basic equipment at The Gnosis, but if you want something really good, you'd better buy it beforehand and transfer modules through stored modules menu. And keep in mind, that with every jump towards the rift this procedure becomes more and more expensive.
 
EDSM knows about quite a few systems in the Cone Sector, but I'm not actually sure what that's telling me. None of them that I've found have any bodies entered, for instance. I guess we'll find out when we get there!

On the other hand, don't despair for totally untouched systems. Scrolling around the galaxy map away from the immediate vicinity of the nebula, I found plenty of systems that aren't known to EDSM at all.

There was a time when EDSM didn't do bodies. For example: I hold a few "first discovered for EDSM" titles of famous stars 500 LY from Sol. Because I uploaded old journal files earlier this year.
 
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