What kind of question is that? FD presented the design years ago, people want it, we now get it. If you dont want it, fine, deal with it.
Once more, I never saw demand for large missile launchers.
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Once more, I never saw demand for large missile launchers.
I have seen it. People seem to be quite fascinated with missiles. Their concept art traces back five years ago.
Well, for one the release roadmap:
https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/node/381
It's pretty clear that they planned to have it all released in 2016, we all know from first hand experience that Horizons took longer than expected (a year longer), and going off that it's logical to assume that it's had an effect on the overall schedule for Elite.
Well, show me then.
It just seemed logical to assume that the delay with Horizons affected the overall schedule for Elite. Remember the old roadmap had everything coming out in 2016, so it was obviously their plan to have it wrapped up and done, that delay combined with what you said is definitely what contributes to the feeling of slow development.
And yeah you're right, no matter what is brought to the table in Elite, it will never please everyone. It's impossible. There's always going to be complaints.
You're deliberately mis-representing, that's not what Brett said at all.
I'm no fan of FD's approach to comms but it's no wonder they stay quiet when folk like Brett, whilst attempting to be helpful, have that sort of nonsense typed in response to their comments.
FD's focus frequently isn't where I think it should be, and they get some things badly wrong, but they have also done a lot of great stuff with the game and Q4 will hopefully bring some much needed improvements. However, if folk can do nothing other than bash the game, and devs, then maybe they should look elsewhere for something to do/play.
With hindsight this is probably where they split their dev team and built Planet Coaster. Whilst it wasn't what I wanted, (and the lack of comms was very frustrating at the time,) they're a company that, fundamentally, exists to make money and doing that has paid off for them.
I still want to see more focus on ED though.
whats your problem?
did a missile touch on in the wrong spot?
why should a game dev only deliver what someonne has asked for in the first place?
I already explained how they were useful for me. I doubt I'm the only one in that position.
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I'm not misrepresenting anything.
Fdev were asked about promised mechanics. Their community manager replied by saying "perhaps when tech can handle it."
That's a cut and dry admission that, as of now, tech cant handle it. Their tech.
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Steed is correct. You are misrepresenting Brett's post. In fact you are stating that he said something that he didn't.
This is the relevant part, taken from your post where you copy/pasted Brett's post
If you want to express your disappointment, then do at least get your facts right and do not put words into people mouths that they did not say.
Reading the posts in question helps you to do that.
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All I did was repeat Brett's words. He says tech wont allow them to deliver promised mechanics. Then why were they promised?
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As I demonstrated - you did not repeat Brett's words, you misquoted and laid your own opinion on top of the misquote, as you are doing again.
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Brett was asked about promised mechanics.
He stated that they were probably still planned. When the tech could handle it.
This is an open admission that Frontier tech cannot handle the big, open, landable atmo planets they promised. They can try and blame consumer tech all they want, but PC and consoles have handled large, open worlds for a decade now. There is no other logical interpretation:
Forums: What about these mechanics?
Brett: Probably still planned...just...when the tech can finally handle it.
Theres no other way to interpret that.
Because tech evolves over time. He said he was talking about GPUs, and we currently have much better GPUs than 5 years ago, and in a few years we will have much better GPUs than now. The potato PCs in 3 or 4 years will have GPUs that are top of the line today, and powerful PC gaming rigs will have GPUs that will make short work of our current ones.
One of the hardest things when developing PC games is having to account customers with PCs ranging from 350€ potatoes, all the way to >3000€ behemoths. And no company can launch a game and say "to play this you will need a >1500€ gaming rig". It's not farfetched that things like earth likes or more visually complex planets will only be able to release when at least the majority of customer PC's can handle it properly.
Even NMS with it's super mario graphics had terrible performance at launch with it's tiny cartoon planets, now try to imagine an "ED class" earth like or other visually complex planet running on a current 150€ GPU.
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None of which changes the core issue: They promised mechanics they had to have known that tech could not deliver. Frankly, I dont think consumer tech is the issue. I think its Frontier tech that is the problem. Likely the engine.
Or perhaps its the consoles that are limiting things. I sincerely doubt one can claim, with a straight face, that "Sorry, your gaming PC's lack the power for large, explorable urban environments in games." Seeing as how, you know, we have had them for over a decade...even on the consoles.
Its not as if an entire planet needs to be loaded in memory at once. This claim rings hollow, like a convenient scapegoat to try and turn the talk to consumer tech instead of the tech delivering the game.
Ohhh boy.
Let's unpack this.
If Brett meant technology behind ED - then it is always evolving. During ED 1.0 game weren't capable for landable planets. Then came ED Horizons which added planetary tech. When next premium DLC comes which adds let's say atmospherics, it will have another new technology added to it.
That's what he most likely meant. He also might have meant when hardware will be able to pull off Earth likes at level of fidelity FD aims for. Hardware might not be there yet. It might be after year or two, and that again would require technology behind game engine to evolve.
FD does their own graphics engines for games. That's allows them to do practically anything they want. Considering resources of course.
You read into Brett quote as negative - t.i. current technology doesn't allow to do things. But those are things that FD doesn't do at the moment, because they have lower hanging fruits to collect. It is all about smart planning. Horizons required quite beefy hardware when released. Now it can be run on low end console (ok, not on Switch but still).
I think the problem is that the game is also on PS4 and Xox...
Ian Phillips
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I've read Brett's post again (as I suggested you should do).
"Probably still planned". Nope. Thats not in his post.