BREAKING NEWS: GNOSIS STRANDED, GALNET NEWS!

[Kaltern]

They could have contacted someone. Frontier gave them an oppurtunity to do so and it was easily within their power at Frontier to alter a flight plan - I'm sure they would have obliged but, as always, gave the player group a choice: link

How could Canonn have had no idea?

Because they didn't. It's clear that SOMETHING might happen when the jump took place, but because of the Galnet article coming out too early, we all knew what it was - and I can absolutely guarantee you that Canonn's council knew nothing about it.

Canonn are blameless for this - I mean, SOME of this thread wouldn't even exists if it wasn't for that Galnet news item... but even so, the whole this was clumsily executed. It COULD have been epic - if all the mechanics worked as they should.. BUT that isn't what happened.

It's not the story, nor the Thargoids people are upset about. It's the delivery.

 

[CMDR_our-type]

this is brilliant. Might fly out with a heavily armed Conda and 'help'

 

[DustyArne]

I don't want to sound mean, and I thing it is shabby how the Galnet article was released a tad too early, but everyone was somehow expecting the Gnosis to arrive at the Conehead Sector without a hitch or their Megaship getting Hyperdicted.

Canonn Research proclaim they are all for the science.

They know everything there is to know about the aliens.

They also know that no player can enter a locked area of space.

Admiral Aden Tanner (Aegis’s chief military liaison) warned us about the Hydra living in the Cone Sector.

The Pilot's Federation took Admiral Aden Tanner's warning seriously, and locked access to that Sector.

Canonn Research had a full week - knowing it was highly likely that, based on their scientific findings and other Thargoid evidence, they could get Hyperdicted en-route (failing to reach their destination entirely) - to contact whoever they needed to and cancel their flight plan.

They didn't.

They assumed (either through excessive arrogance or hubris) that they would reach their destination in the Conehead Sector, and, at the very most, have their ship disabled after they reached their destination in a permit locked region.

And all despite knowing what the aliens are fully capable of - easily able to tear ships out of Witch-space, including Megaships, to attack and disable them.

Frontier isn't to blame.

The Lore is there. The in-game scientific knowhow is there. This is something that Canonn preach - they ignored their own science, evidence, and all the warnings.

Canonn Research made the ultimate decision to do this - the buck stops with them.

IMO, there is no other way to look at this.

Though i'd like add that who thought to jump into a potential thargoid home-system with a ship stacked with AX combat ships was a good idea need to seek some help..

 

[Kaltern]

Yeah but with all on-line meltdowns, it doesn't matter how good your point of view is, people never, NEVER change their minds - its just a constant stream of opinions. I took part, bagged quite a few scouts and died twice. That's enough for me.

I took out one scout

And died twice. On the pad. Before I could even lift off. Not bitter. Nope. Not a bit.

 

[Rubbernuke]

It's the delivery.

EDs greatest failing is this. If Galnet kept silent, if the NFZ was removed, if Thargoid weapons were blocked by the Gnosis hull while docked) this event would have been quite different.

 

[loki12345]

There is no need to blame canonn for this. Neither FD. This is part of a story. And i don't understand why people are so upset with it.

Let's look to it from an RPG view: The Playergroup decides they want to go into the castle of lord badmofo. The Dungeonmaster throws in some npc who clearly say this will be dangerous and the group could be attacked on the way to the castle by some of the horrors living there. The group decides they want to go anyway. So the Dungeonmaster wants to throw in some action and let the group be attacked on the way.

This is what frontier has done here and honestly, they did it quite good here. The only sad thing is the galnet news that came out to early and spoiler it. Thats very sad because it could be really cool to see the Gnosis get hyperdicted and the players have to fight for survival of the ship. And maybe even learn something about the thargoids (meta alloys to lure them away from the ship or something).

Don't see any bad move here from any side.

 

[Damocles]

this is brilliant. Might fly out with a heavily armed Conda and 'help'

Didn't work out too well for me - died twice, but then, I am pretty crap.

 

[IiliI PEL IiliI]

I've been jaded by elite in the past and had given up a year ago. I took note of this Gnosis venture and decided to give it a go because it sounded like a promising event to be a part of.

So I dusted off my flying hat and goggles to partake....pfft back to my other games i guess.

I took off, got shot at, explored the system and found nothing of interest, managed to redock under fire and then turned it off again. Was there a point to this "narrative choice" or am I missing the point Fdev?! In what world is this considered a good idea?! I just...give up, again.

 

[kofeyh]

They could have contacted someone. Frontier gave them an oppurtunity to do so (a week) and it was easily within their power at Frontier to alter a flight plan - I'm sure they would have obliged but, as always, gave the player group a choice: link

How could Canonn have had no idea?

Who could have contacted whom? They had no idea because frontier control the damn thing. Cannon asked. Frontier said OK then doubled down on a permit lock.

You'll find player groups have little more sway in anything that we do. Why would you assume Frontier would have told them?

First anyone knew was the massive galnet spoiler. So maybe consider who is more likely to be in control of the situation.

I have no love for Canonn, but is abundantly clear who is driving the bus. Frontier. Because only frontier gets to drive the bus.

 

[stormyuk]

Just make the Gnosis a detention centre, so if after getting destroyed you end up there if you have any outstanding crimes, removes the need to change any NFZ.

 

[Exeider]

They could have contacted someone. Frontier gave them an oppurtunity to do so (a week) and it was easily within their power at Frontier to alter a flight plan - I'm sure they would have obliged but, as always, gave the player group a choice: link

How could Canonn have had no idea?

Gave them an opportunity?

Canonn is a player group fdev is the developer. They could of plainly said
"UM, NO, that's thargoid future content space. So no."

So no Canonn didnt have an idea, Especially considering where the flight plan was going next, which was the formadine rift, this cone sector thing was clearly "on the way"

Since solving the mystery of the formadine rift is the "Big Enchilada" when it comes to exproration in this game

 

[Kaltern]

IMO, there is no other way to look at this.

Though i'd like add that who thought to jump into a potential thargoid home-system with a ship stacked with AX combat ships was a good idea need to seek some help..

I would love to be able to shrug this off as lore - and if things worked as they were supposed to, it would even work very well.

But it didn't, and no amount of lore-ifying it is going to make this go away.

 

[Archduke]

The bitterness and drivel spouted here is beyond ludicrous. Canonn have NO SWAY over anything. Seriously, this idea that they're all-powerful and rule the game is just bourne out of spite and jealousy. Just get over the fact Megaships are nothing more than a tools used to drive stories. Canonn doesn't get 'special treatment' - the entity that has grown out from a few people is so large now that it is just part of Elite lore.This is entirely on FDev. Canonn didn't even KNOW this was planned. And no amount of bitter vitriol is going to change that simple fact.

Please keep this in context. I have not anywhere complained nor made any opine envious or otherwise regarding the qquisition of a megaship - frankly I think it's a good thing) The only critique of CANNON here is that they chose the location which circumvented the permit locke and ignored warning signs. I made no claims to any "all powerfulness" nor envy.This action forced FDev's hand with limited time.

This isnt on Canonn. They just submitted a place to jump in good faith.

Submitted a request knowing that the destination circumvented the permit region beyond that capable of any "normal" player cahracter abilities.I'm not attacking Cannonn, but they are not blameless in this situation. Clearly the region locked off from usual access was done so to prevent players from reaching it because content was to be added later. This is not unknown, nor unresonable and Cannon are certainly not naive to this.

 

[amigacooke]

Why is there so much 'salt' on this thread?
Because the players have been pepper-sprayed?

Condiment based humour

 

[CMDR Dreamstate]

Because they didn't. It's clear that SOMETHING might happen when the jump took place, but because of the Galnet article coming out too early, we all knew what it was - and I can absolutely guarantee you that Canonn's council knew nothing about it.

Canonn are blameless for this - I mean, SOME of this thread wouldn't even exists if it wasn't for that Galnet news item... but even so, the whole this was clumsily executed. It COULD have been epic - if all the mechanics worked as they should.. BUT that isn't what happened.

It's not the story, nor the Thargoids people are upset about. It's the delivery.

I don't see how they are blameless when they said on their Discord they were contacted by Aegis (I assume Frontier) and the Canonn Council made the decision to jump anyway.

Spoiler

 

[Hetork Tesser]

Hello and o7 to everyone

Sorry ro read all of you are so disappointed that the Gnosis was hyperdicted.

BUT you may ask yourself waht is inside the locked Systems in the cone sector ? Is this maybe thargoids home ?
Let's assume this is true and as we may now thargoids aren't stupid then they surely got intel on the mission of the Gnosis.
Would you let a big thargoid ship jump right to sol if you had the chance to catch them before ? I don't think so.
This is an absolutely logical reaction of the thargoids to this mission. Maybe they have GalNet access too ?
Or is in the cone sector some interesting Guardian hidden and they do not want us go discover that so we can't defeat them more easier ?

My conclusion of all what happened:
It is more importand than ever that we reach the cone sector. There is something important hidden !
It was a logical decision of the targoids to try to stop the Gnosis.
Repair of the Gnosis and the continuation of the mission should be top priority.
And FDEVs didn tested whar would happen when the Gnosis is stranded so we have again a lot of unexpected bugs

 

[JaskoMaughann]

Condiment based humour

It's a real sauce of amusement

 

[kofeyh]

I don't see how they are blameless when they said on their Discord they were contacted by Aegis (I assume Frontier) and the Canonn Council made the decision to jump anyway.

Keep digging.

 

[Winterwalker]

But it didn't, and no amount of lore-ifying it is going to make this go away.

For the good of the game as a whole, I actually think Will might have jumped the shark a little bit.

Gnosis is a remote megaship. There's logically only so much space aboard. Allow more Commanders to board it that't fine, it's free to ride, but full AAA insurance ship replacement services? Like every other station in the Galaxy when this is supposed to be a deep space expedition?? I don't think so.

The Detention Centre should be renamed as a Rescue Facility. If you're on a moving ship then it should be tough to stay on it. That's the challenge. Not shoot die rinse repeat.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

This is Elite's the biggest fail this year IMHO.
I'm usually one of the first to defend Frontier, but there is nothing to defend here. It's just one massive failure.

I love the fact that I disagree with you on this 100%, and I will actually defend FDev on that I think they have reacted like Agile practitioners and decided to roll with it And I appreciate as a dev It might happen that they also bought time to prepare a surprise in the permit locked sector. Or not. Anyhow I'm liking the fact that they decided to try a live thargoid attack in station instance, irregardless of outcome.