Yup blame those pesky Americans as usual! You Europeans and Aussies are all angels right?
What I've learned about griefers/gankers across the board.
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Is that a code phrase for something?
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Time zones seem to play a big part in this and weekday/weekends. When I do get the time to play, and due to the time zone I'm in, I rarely see anyone at all let alone gankers. Still I prefer private groups as you will find like minded people there and get a better overall game experience because they are like minded.
Pretty sure back in the original posting I said:
Yep, there it is. Big difference between the digital and analog worlds, with one, singular exception: still the same person sitting at the keyboard. That person has motivations and processes that lead them to make the decisions they make. All the ad hominum in the world won't change that.
Moving on.
I have no doubt that this is true for some people, and completely not the case for others. We need only look at the number of cases of "online predators" that turn up annually to know that people can and do put on all manner of facades online. The number of scams that run every day are a testament to duplicity. What percentage of the internet population does this represent? It's hard to know. I'd hope it less than 1%, but there's no way to really know.
There are volumes written on gaming pyschology, so I assert based on the amount of material and research there has to be some substance to it. And yes, I would venture to say that the overwhelming majority here are largely well-adjusted, sound-minded folks. This does not make their motivations any less interesting though. Do we have the next media tragedy in our midst? I certainly hope not, but I can't say with certainty we don't either - no one can.
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"I will preface this with: Yes, it IS a game, and no actual, physical, harm is done."
does not make any of the subsequent posts any less ridiculous.
I think it might make them worse!
"I will preface this with: Yes, it IS a game, and no actual, physical, harm is done."
does not make any of the subsequent posts any less ridiculous.
I think it might make them worse!
That’s the second consecutive statement you’ve made in this thread that makes absolutely no sense.
Had a few too many tonight?
Really? Sounds to me like you’re just strawmanning. Again.
Nah man, no strawman. I called it pretty darn accurately, no matter how you want to look at it or how Indigo wants to straddle the fence or "reel it in." He's the one comparing ED griefers and gankers to real life mass murders and serial killers in this thread and suggesting that real world damage should be inflicted upon them and you are the one cheering him on. Just own it, man. No need to dissemble.
Bob Lighthouse
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It makes perfect sense.
It's 4pm and no, don't drink actually.
If you claim to understand that no one actually gets hurt, and proceed to draw the false equivalence anyhow, then the preface is just horsepucky.
On the other hand, one can forgive total ignorance or irrationality, to an extent.
So being irrational and dishonest is worse than being simply irrational.
First of all, I wouldn’t really care one way or the other whether or not something bad were to befall some rando in a videogame IRL. There are over 7.5 billion people on this planet, and I honestly don’t give a rat’s about 99.99% of them. The same can be said for most people, including you I’d bet, so stop feigning offense like a millennial.
Secondly, where exactly did Indigo wish ill will upon anyone? Please provide a link, because I didn’t see it.
I've already written an essay on the topic. Go back to indigos "knock em out" video post and then read my 3-4 responses.
I mainly recall you spewing insults. Nothing overly intelligent or implicating.
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It's the false equivalence.
I don't think anyone made the claim above, which makes you the one clutching straw methinks.
Equivalence, yes. False, I think not. You, Goose, and Jason are just getting bent out of shape because it portrays you and your ilk in a somewhat unflattering light. Deal with it.
Thanks for dropping the pretense, Brian. Not only that, but quite ably demonstrating the validity of the point I made when I called Indigo down on the Knock em Out comparison in the first place.
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Bob Lighthouse
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It is false, he says so himself, that's why it's even worse!
LOL
Where exactly did you see anyone claim this?
He "hedged."
Aaron, I like you. You know I do. At least I feel like we are "friends" on Steam.
I agree with your opinion about the kids who think it is fun blowing up CMDRS just for the LOLs. Who attack for no reason whatsoever except to cause a little misery.
But not everyone who attacks other players in Open is the terrible person you paint them as. Some groups (the one I roll with the most is HALT) follow codes of honor and clear rules of engagement that give the "prey" every opportunity to avoid death.
PvP is a legitimate form of gameplay in ED. If it wasn't, then I'm sure FDev would make it so that we could not damage one another.
Please don't group together with the "murderhobos" etc. legitimate PvPers (assuming you are not so jaded that the term "legitimate PvPers" has any meaning for you). I hope some day that FDev will be able to reliable distinguished between legitimate PvPers and "murderhobos". I am not optimistic however.
I agree with your opinion about the kids who think it is fun blowing up CMDRS just for the LOLs. Who attack for no reason whatsoever except to cause a little misery.
But not everyone who attacks other players in Open is the terrible person you paint them as. Some groups (the one I roll with the most is HALT) follow codes of honor and clear rules of engagement that give the "prey" every opportunity to avoid death.
PvP is a legitimate form of gameplay in ED. If it wasn't, then I'm sure FDev would make it so that we could not damage one another.
Please don't group together with the "murderhobos" etc. legitimate PvPers (assuming you are not so jaded that the term "legitimate PvPers" has any meaning for you). I hope some day that FDev will be able to reliable distinguished between legitimate PvPers and "murderhobos". I am not optimistic however.
There never was any pretense. I’ve made it quite clear what I think, both here and in past threads on the subject. Being a bully on the internet is, to me, just as big an issue as being a bully IRL. The difference is that on the internet, there are fewer consequences. That’s it.
If that doesn’t sit well with you, you could always try to act like a respectable person in-game for a little while, like “the vast majority of players” in ED.
Most of the gankers I know are old farts and grandmas who later became lesbian. They have kids, grandkids, masters degrees and high paying technical jobs.
I think what's striking about all this is that they know what matters in life, while those who apparently have all day to play around remain a little confused. There really isn't a whole lot to do in this game but play with the fact.
Also, to think that the problem is some 14 year old bullies, that they would even play a game like this, is laughable. It's more like, there's an army of mid 20's Elliot Roger men who feel entitled and injusticed.
I think what's striking about all this is that they know what matters in life, while those who apparently have all day to play around remain a little confused. There really isn't a whole lot to do in this game but play with the fact.
Also, to think that the problem is some 14 year old bullies, that they would even play a game like this, is laughable. It's more like, there's an army of mid 20's Elliot Roger men who feel entitled and injusticed.
Kind of like, ‘I don’t want to sound racist, but...’
Your posts keep getting more and more poorly structured.
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