Community guests at FD HQ on 27th for Q4 news

Why do I get the slightly uneasy feeling that they might be looking for advice, suggestions and insight from these visitors?

The people in question have supported Frontier and do so in a public manner. I should imagine they will have absolutely nothing they can share. Don't place at the feet of people whom have zero control, responsibility the developer naturally has.

This is far from uncommon; quite a few developers invite the few, to help keep the faith. Reading more into it, just feeds paranoia and "I told you so" rhetoric after the fact.
 
You've missed the entire point of the whole thread. Well done :)

As the OP of the thread : no - they didn't ;)

Well many hear have called me stupid before, so educate me, what is the point of the whole thread?

You had it right ;) Mainly just to say to people 'hey, stuff is still moving forward' since FD have been quiet this week, and it would be nice if they they talked more.

Hi everyone, I'm finally back at a hotel room. I have ~25mins of free wifi. Waddya want to know?

Thanks for all the updates Alec - much appreciated! (Not sure you'll get another invite though ;) )

Kinda makes you think eh - if you were FD and you wanted to spread word of what you're up to - would you invite:

  • Streamers with an audience in the community, or
  • Prominent players who help run multiple communities and shared resource threads, or
  • Salty bois who rant incoherently

Difficult choice :D
 
I personally think that tweaking it was mistake before beta (etc)
I'm cautiously hopeful that FDev have considered the strong response from more than a few commanders and made a positive change with this in mind. We won't know the consequences of this until we see the beta, but I see little point in grieving for something you never had.
 
Thing is, you are gutted that a proposal you hadn't seen or used has been changed to some degree to a version you also haven't seen or used. And you're suggesting Frontier shoudn't ever tell us what they are going to do in advance.

Man, this company C A N N O T win.

This is the internet, nobody can win. Apart from cats.

Just look at all the complaints about Frontier inviting youtubers. I don't get the whole youtube thing either, but I would never complain about them getting invited to the studio. Why do people care about it? Why does everybody feel like anybody would be interested in their opinion? Because that's the internet.
 
I'm cautiously hopeful that FDev have considered the strong response from more than a few commanders and made a positive change with this in mind. We won't know the consequences of this until we see the beta, but I see little point in grieving for something you never had.

Except that strong response wasn't from actually having used the proposed mechanics in beta. It was simply a response based on what people thought it was going to be like. I can be as guilty of that as anyone but I agree with Eagleboy that the proposal should have gone to beta first, in my opinion - see if that strong response remained AFTER people actually got to use the proposed mechanics. Frontier's choice though, so let's see how it goes anyway. Can't help but think this is a case of maybe shutting the gate before there's even a horse in the yard TO bolt....
 
I personally think that tweaking it was mistake before beta.

As long as what they did was listen to the community saying "Hey, have you considered these playstyles?" then it's fine. From what Alec said they didn't switch to any of the forum suggestions, so it seems they basically listened - which I applaud.

If they'd described it earlier (as we saw similar screenshots from Lavecon they could have explained it earlier) then it would have been even cooler.
 
Thing is, you are gutted that a proposal you hadn't seen or used has been changed to some degree to a version you also haven't seen or used. And you're suggesting Frontier shoudn't ever tell us what they are going to do in advance.

Man, this company C A N N O T win.

I will admit I got pointlessly emotional there.
 
Along with Alec and a few others mentioned here, had the privilege to attend yesterday.

Frontier dedicated 5 of their team for the entire day to presenting many of the changes and improvements coming to the game in the next release.

It was by no means a polished puff piece for streamers, it was a detailed exposee and q&a on the content, with senior staff on hand asking questions of us, feedback on what was good and what needed work or improvements. There was very little of the 'it is on the roadmap for later' and an awful lot of 'let me just go and ask that part of the team' where we got into detail and provided constructive feedback on the new items we have seen already in live stream but also things they will be revealing over the forthcoming weeks.

They took away extensive notes from a broad range of the audience based on how their communities would react to certain elements, where the areas of improvement were wanted and how the new mechanics would affect people's gaming time.

Our questions weren't dodged, they weren't cagey about their answers and no, wasn't the community team presenting. They were there but the presentation was done by the team doing the doing not the talking about, if you see what I mean.

Whilst some streamers were there, others of us were representing chunks of player groups or event/content creators for in game fun.

Stuff we CAN talk about at the moment:
Exploration. Works nicely, looks great, really makes you feel like you are working to discover things and not just honk jump magic wand discovery.

The mining things that were first talked about at Lavecon have come along really nicely. Once again, there is a lot more to do whilst mining. I reckon people will enjoy it.

The lighting changes shown at Lavecon... Was nice to see it in action on a 'live' build and not just screenshots. Once again, think once people get into beta, they will be pleased with it.

Shout out as usual to the sound team. Got a big round of applause at one point. Couple of times we all shushed each other so we could just listen.

The stuff we can't mention yet as it isn't public. A huge amount of work and thought has gone into it all, am looking forward to getting my teeth into it both testing in beta and in final live release. Lots of the regular grumbles have been addressed.

It really is a large body of work. Took 6 hours to fully showcase the lot and there is still more we didn't get see. We over ran by over an hour on their plans as we were asking so many pointy questions and debating their answers. A number of the visitors put some STRONG pressure on frontier on various matters on behalf of wider player audience.

To the question earlier about the 'feel' in the office.... quite a few of the team members dropped their heads in to say hi, some of them were new faces had not met or seen on live streams before. There is a good vibe about the office there, happy looking staff (we quizzed one and the answer was 'even better now that the food isn't as bad as it was at the old office ;-) ). Delicious sandwiches btw.

For the record, yes, the numbers of people working JUST on ED are what they say, their other games were on other floors and no, jobs like HR and finance etc staff weren't part of that number,.It was all people actively working on Elite. Compared to my last visit, they arent kidding when they say the team has never been bigger. The sweeping improvements and changes have satisfied me that they havent been idle in the last year of the free 'Beyond' update.

All in all, and I appreciate there will be lots of 'but why wasn't xxx person invited', and realise I am lucky to have been invited. Am hoping we did you lot proud in terms of shouting loudly about things we are all passionate about, was great to see huge progress and my goodness am I going to have to set aside a whole day just to read the patch notes. Can't wait to get my teeth into it all.
 
Well, what's the point of changing it then before anybody has seen it? That's the hole point - we haven't.

Fast transfer of ships and modules was removed before beta, before anyone had seen it. I am dying from an overdose of irony.

Gutted. FD should really do not publish these proposals if they aren't ready to stand by them.

A proposal is intent; it's not a quantified outcome. As has been repeatedly stated; we will see what happens in Beta; this is still just as true today, as it was yesterday. Nothing is set in stone, until then.
 
On a train, with wifi, let's keep going.

Hi Alec - thank you for being as open as you can be about what you've seen. I've already expressed my opinion on the guest list for this sort of visit but I certainly think if visit there must be, you're very deserving of a place given what you actually do for the ED community.
I REALLY appreciate that man! Do you know, when I got the invite it was so out of the blue I assumed it was spam at first - LOL.

Yes, I have a question, obviously. (It's a two-parter, so it's actually two, lol.)

Are those explorers who were most worried about the honk-check-and-decide method of exploration being irrevocably ruined by the new scanner going to be relieved by this simple, elegant solution you saw?
yes ... ish ... OK, here we go ... it provides access to the old method under "certain circumstances" ... there's also an almost accidental side-effect of the tweak which gives a new sense of purpose and meaning to exploration beyond personal gain ... I really don't think I can say more than that.

And was there anything else specifically exploration-related other than fancy scanner and QOL improvements coming up in Q.4 that might be of help in planning interesting events on, say, a 3000+ pilot expedition?
You know what, I'm pretty wrecked right now, we saw a LOT and I can't remember everything ... but I do distinctly remember having a moment where I got quite psyched about DW2 possibilities.
 
I personally think that tweaking it was mistake before beta. So no compromises at all. Do as you have it and then later sort it out.

I just don't see any compromise that waters down original proposal being good. We already have enough compromises in this game. There are people who will be NEVER satisfied with ED design, and FD have just to accept that.



Well, what's the point of changing it then before anybody has seen it? That's the hole point - we haven't. We have seen crystal ball claims how grindy and empty it all will be and give my marble collection gameplay back.

Gutted. FD should really do not publish these proposals if they aren't ready to stand by them.

Whoa pecisk, this is bad, even for you :/

FDEV posted a Reveal stream and a thread. They. Asked. For. Feedback!

Feedback they received. A number of issues were raised. They took it into consideration.

I've no idea what they've changed or tweaked. Neither do you. So neither of us can say one way or another if it'll be a good or not so good thing.

I'll wait until a Q4 beta arrives. Then I'm going to livestream testing it to within an inch of its life. At that point will I have enough information to make a truly informed opinion.
 
Along with Alec and a few others mentioned here, had the privilege to attend yesterday.

Frontier dedicated 5 of their team for the entire day to presenting many of the changes and improvements coming to the game in the next release.

It was by no means a polished puff piece for streamers, it was a detailed exposee and q&a on the content, with senior staff on hand asking questions of us, feedback on what was good and what needed work or improvements. There was very little of the 'it is on the roadmap for later' and an awful lot of 'let me just go and ask that part of the team' where we got into detail and provided constructive feedback on the new items we have seen already in live stream but also things they will be revealing over the forthcoming weeks.

They took away extensive notes from a broad range of the audience based on how their communities would react to certain elements, where the areas of improvement were wanted and how the new mechanics would affect people's gaming time.

Our questions weren't dodged, they weren't cagey about their answers and no, wasn't the community team presenting. They were there but the presentation was done by the team doing the doing not the talking about, if you see what I mean.

Whilst some streamers were there, others of us were representing chunks of player groups or event/content creators for in game fun.

Stuff we CAN talk about at the moment:
Exploration. Works nicely, looks great, really makes you feel like you are working to discover things and not just honk jump magic wand discovery.

The mining things that were first talked about at Lavecon have come along really nicely. Once again, there is a lot more to do whilst mining. I reckon people will enjoy it.

The lighting changes shown at Lavecon... Was nice to see it in action on a 'live' build and not just screenshots. Once again, think once people get into beta, they will be pleased with it.

Shout out as usual to the sound team. Got a big round of applause at one point. Couple of times we all shushed each other so we could just listen.

The stuff we can't mention yet as it isn't public. A huge amount of work and thought has gone into it all, am looking forward to getting my teeth into it both testing in beta and in final live release. Lots of the regular grumbles have been addressed.

It really is a large body of work. Took 6 hours to fully showcase the lot and there is still more we didn't get see. We over ran by over an hour on their plans as we were asking so many pointy questions and debating their answers. A number of the visitors put some STRONG pressure on frontier on various matters on behalf of wider player audience.

To the question earlier about the 'feel' in the office.... quite a few of the team members dropped their heads in to say hi, some of them were new faces had not met or seen on live streams before. There is a good vibe about the office there, happy looking staff (we quizzed one and the answer was 'even better now that the food isn't as bad as it was at the old office ;-) ). Delicious sandwiches btw.

For the record, yes, the numbers of people working JUST on ED are what they say, their other games were on other floors and no, jobs like HR and finance etc staff weren't part of that number,.It was all people actively working on Elite. Compared to my last visit, they arent kidding when they say the team has never been bigger. The sweeping improvements and changes have satisfied me that they havent been idle in the last year of the free 'Beyond' update.

All in all, and I appreciate there will be lots of 'but why wasn't xxx person invited', and realise I am lucky to have been invited. Am hoping we did you lot proud in terms of shouting loudly about things we are all passionate about, was great to see huge progress and my goodness am I going to have to set aside a whole day just to read the patch notes. Can't wait to get my teeth into it all.
Beautiful! What he said ^^^^
 
Along with Alec and a few others mentioned here, had the privilege to attend yesterday.

Nice; I too look forward to beta. You'll excuse me if I take my own council on what "works nicely, looks great, really makes you feel like you are working to discover things" actually translates to with the beta; particularly after quite a few uses, not just one or two.

I've heard "it's fine, they have this" more times than I can count. I'm thus looking forward to being actually surprised and just as glowing in consideration, at that time. Like much of what Frontier does; it always looks (and sounds) amazing the first time.

I hope that enthusiasm as to what was presented and the work done, translates into some longevity in experience. And that's not "tell me more", it's recognition that Frontier can do very good work, and I hope to see that reflected in the next update.
 
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Along with Alec and a few others mentioned here, had the privilege to attend yesterday.

Frontier dedicated 5 of their team for the entire day to presenting many of the changes and improvements coming to the game in the next release.

It was by no means a polished puff piece for streamers, it was a detailed exposee and q&a on the content, with senior staff on hand asking questions of us, feedback on what was good and what needed work or improvements. There was very little of the 'it is on the roadmap for later' and an awful lot of 'let me just go and ask that part of the team' where we got into detail and provided constructive feedback on the new items we have seen already in live stream but also things they will be revealing over the forthcoming weeks.

They took away extensive notes from a broad range of the audience based on how their communities would react to certain elements, where the areas of improvement were wanted and how the new mechanics would affect people's gaming time.

Our questions weren't dodged, they weren't cagey about their answers and no, wasn't the community team presenting. They were there but the presentation was done by the team doing the doing not the talking about, if you see what I mean.

Whilst some streamers were there, others of us were representing chunks of player groups or event/content creators for in game fun.

Stuff we CAN talk about at the moment:
Exploration. Works nicely, looks great, really makes you feel like you are working to discover things and not just honk jump magic wand discovery.

The mining things that were first talked about at Lavecon have come along really nicely. Once again, there is a lot more to do whilst mining. I reckon people will enjoy it.

The lighting changes shown at Lavecon... Was nice to see it in action on a 'live' build and not just screenshots. Once again, think once people get into beta, they will be pleased with it.

Shout out as usual to the sound team. Got a big round of applause at one point. Couple of times we all shushed each other so we could just listen.

The stuff we can't mention yet as it isn't public. A huge amount of work and thought has gone into it all, am looking forward to getting my teeth into it both testing in beta and in final live release. Lots of the regular grumbles have been addressed.

It really is a large body of work. Took 6 hours to fully showcase the lot and there is still more we didn't get see. We over ran by over an hour on their plans as we were asking so many pointy questions and debating their answers. A number of the visitors put some STRONG pressure on frontier on various matters on behalf of wider player audience.

To the question earlier about the 'feel' in the office.... quite a few of the team members dropped their heads in to say hi, some of them were new faces had not met or seen on live streams before. There is a good vibe about the office there, happy looking staff (we quizzed one and the answer was 'even better now that the food isn't as bad as it was at the old office ;-) ). Delicious sandwiches btw.

For the record, yes, the numbers of people working JUST on ED are what they say, their other games were on other floors and no, jobs like HR and finance etc staff weren't part of that number,.It was all people actively working on Elite. Compared to my last visit, they arent kidding when they say the team has never been bigger. The sweeping improvements and changes have satisfied me that they havent been idle in the last year of the free 'Beyond' update.

All in all, and I appreciate there will be lots of 'but why wasn't xxx person invited', and realise I am lucky to have been invited. Am hoping we did you lot proud in terms of shouting loudly about things we are all passionate about, was great to see huge progress and my goodness am I going to have to set aside a whole day just to read the patch notes. Can't wait to get my teeth into it all.

Thank you Commander for the great synopsis of what occurred, hopefully it will allay some of the concerns expressed here.

And thank you for answering my question about the 'feel' of the office and staff, I have found it is often a great indication of what is happening, happy staff equates to a good product and all that.
 
Whoa pecisk, this is bad, even for you :/

FDEV posted a Reveal stream and a thread. They. Asked. For. Feedback!

Feedback they received. A number of issues were raised. They took it into consideration.

I've no idea what they've changed or tweaked. Neither do you. So neither of us can say one way or another if it'll be a good or not so good thing.

I'll wait until a Q4 beta arrives. Then I'm going to livestream testing it to within an inch of its life. At that point will I have enough information to make a truly informed opinion.

I overreacted. But to be fair, you said you will uninstall game and claimed that game will be grind - before seeing beta. And that's feedback FD got - before seeing beta.

All this nonsense would have avoided if they would just given FF during beta and then sort it out. Take longer time in beta, but it is dangerous to collect feedback *without* having any specific practical elements of gameplay visible. All case against new version was built in name that it will be chore - without seeing beta.

And now when you might have gotten what you want - you call wait for me till beta? And I can't throw tantrum here? A bit of irony :)

Lunatic. Frontier are liars, Vingtetun is a liar, Alec is a liar. The game is in maintenance mode / dead and there is no way 100 people are working on it. :)

ObsidianAnt will lose several thousand subs if he goes out with same message.
 
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