Community guests at FD HQ on 27th for Q4 news

No one has paid a dime for content since they purchased Horizons - for some, that was in late 2015.

In other words, they have gotten accustomed to not paying for content, and enough time has passed that some of them might complain about it.

There are others who will complain that they didn't get their money's worth out of Horizons/Beyond, and shouldn't have to pay for whatever in the future.

Did I really need to explain that?

Edit - Commander Whitman was kind enough to point out the date error in this post, which has been corrected. Almost 3 years of not paying for content, instead of the almost 4 years originally implied. Thank you Commander Whitman, I do hate to say things that are factually incorrect.

Riôt

You did need to explain it, thanks. Couldn't figure out where you were coming from. It's a good point.
 
The presentation/demo by Adam Woods lasted nearly six hours (including breaks and Q&As), and was split into a dozen or so sections, e.g. Mining was one section. After each section we asked many questions (probably two dozen on average) to which Adam, Laurence, Zac, and Ed, answered or found answers. Throughout all of this, Will noted down all of our queries and the responses, and they video-recording our reactions to many key parts of the presentation/demo. And other devs wandered in and out to hear our thoughts and see our reactions too.

Following the presentation, we relaxed in the cafe where more devs joined us (including Dominic Corner who I can see reading this thread now - Hi again! ;) ) for continued chats about the game - current, Q4, upcoming features, planned stuff, etc - and for them to gain our feedback on what we'd seen during the day:

"Did you like X/Y/Z? Do you think the players will like it? What further changes would you like to see? What are your thoughts on this?"

Then they took us (most of us; some had other commitments unfortunately) out for dinner and drinks, where the chats continued until late.

During the meal, on my table of 12 people (5 were FDev) Zac and Adam Waite asked two key questions of us all individually:

"What was your favourite thing during the presentation?" and "What feature do you most want news on in the future?" (My answers were "the sheer amount of Q4 stuff being added that hasn't been publicly announced" and "roadmap ;)")

Many hundreds of questions asked throughout, and I'd guess 99% were answered in satisfactory detail.

Convincing I must say.

You have received a tremendous welcome

:)
 
The presentation/demo by Adam Woods lasted nearly six hours (including breaks and Q&As), and was split into a dozen or so sections, e.g. Mining was one section. After each section we asked many questions (probably two dozen on average) to which Adam, Laurence, Zac, and Ed, answered or found answers. Throughout all of this, Will noted down all of our queries and the responses, and they video-recording our reactions to many key parts of the presentation/demo. And other devs wandered in and out to hear our thoughts and see our reactions too.

Following the presentation, we relaxed in the cafe where more devs joined us (including Dominic Corner who I can see reading this thread now - Hi again! ;) ) for continued chats about the game - current, Q4, upcoming features, planned stuff, etc - and for them to gain our feedback on what we'd seen during the day:

"Did you like X/Y/Z? Do you think the players will like it? What further changes would you like to see? What are your thoughts on this?"

Then they took us (most of us; some had other commitments unfortunately) out for dinner and drinks, where the chats continued until late.

During the meal, on my table of 12 people (5 were FDev) Zac and Adam Waite asked two key questions of us all individually:

"What was your favourite thing during the presentation?" and "What feature do you most want news on in the future?" (My answers were "the sheer amount of Q4 stuff being added that hasn't been publicly announced" and "roadmap ;)")

Many hundreds of questions asked throughout, and I'd guess 99% were answered in satisfactory detail.

Sounds like you had a good time. Can only imagine how nervous I'd be as one of the devs, showing all of that off, what if you'd all hated it? Also nice seeing the outreach, hope it all works out as well as we hope.
 
How do you visitors feel about the future of space legs and atmospheric planets?
During our 10 minutes inside the main Elite Dangerous devroom (part of our tour of the offices), probably 90% of monitors were either switched off or not in our FOV.

We cannot say what we may or may not have seen on the remaining 10% of monitors, nor could we discuss any of those (un)seen things with the devteam either, because we obviously didn't see anything. I think that makes sense :S

Development is on-going:
We do have one exciting piece of news to share that to date, we have not shared with our community. A while ago, our development went from pre-production into full production on our next major milestone of Elite development.

What that means in the simplest terms is that the team are actively working on the next major landmark which takes us into our next era for Elite. We aren’t going to be ready to talk about or announce any details for quite a while yet, it is early in the development and there is still a long way to go, but I can say that this is something that will be scheduled to release a considerable time after the final update in the Beyond series. We will have more details on exactly what this means and how the era will roll out after the release of Beyond – Chapter Four, but this does mark some exciting next steps and a continued commitment to the long term vision for the game and our community.
 
62 pages of this. Here's a way to save time and effort.

Have a photo taken of each of the visitor's faces before the visit. Close up always helps.
Take a photo of each of the visitor's faces AFTER the visit. Close up will be needed here.

  1. How many of the faces have a glazed over, "I've just been laid by the most beautiful girl in the world - twice" look?
  2. On a scale of 1-10, how blissful are their faces?

If they're under an NDA, that's the way to make your determination about how good the next update will be.

As for me, it's Saturday, first of my 4 nights off (part-time job) so I'm off hauling stuff (in space), going out to dinner, watching a movie on the DVR (probably "Call Me Bawana" with Bob Hope).
 
Edit - Commander Whitman was kind enough to point out the date error in this post, which has been corrected. Almost 3 years of not paying for content, instead of the almost 4 years originally implied. Thank you Commander Whitmann, I do hate to say things that are factually incorrect.

Riôt
No problem - I had to check myself as I was doubting myself. I knew I got ED not too long after Horizons but couldn't remember exactly when it was or what year 3302 related to :D
 
There's one question about the quoted post from Zac I'm not sure how much you are allowed to reveal. It's this sentence: "And then there’s even more with additions with significant mining enhancements, a full game visual upgrade

Can you elaborate on this point a little more?

A while ago they showed a stream with some 'enhanced lighting' (can't find it right now, I hope you remember that stream where Adam Woods went into full enthusiasm mode about) for Q4, something not everyone was so happy about as what I've seen didn't look much different from one of the already available and well known saturation enhancer. Certainly not what I was expecting from a general lighting update. Any clarification on this, even some hints, would be highly appreciated. :)
I think all i can say is: yes, there is a substantial visual upgrade, and it includes lighting.
 

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I think all i can say is: yes, there is a substantial visual upgrade, and it includes lighting.

Yep, I was impressed with the lighting upgrades and the attention to detail of how the lighting interacted in the game environment.
 
Yo do not really need to resort to start calling me names. If you want to continue the discussion, please do so, otherwise I d prefer you abstain from using ad hominems.



I am simply pointing out the obvious contradiction you are incurring in here:

- On the one hand you seem to be very sure that FDEV has not really done any significant work on Elite in the last year, at least not until the moment you described as "scrambling" and "trying to catch up" and that you estimated started around 3-4 weeks ago as per Zac's post.

- But when I asked you if that means that you think that serious work on 3.3, for example, must must have started also within those 3-4 "scrambling" weeks you respond with "what the monkey should I know".

Well, what is it going to be?

ok, it's already in the discussion. when i say 'you come across as obtuse' i mean i think you have not made the minimal effort to understand my point of view. that much should be clear when i specifically add that 'you are not'. this is clearly not and adhominem. that you resort to that is just in tune with your contribution to this sub thread, in which you don't really want to communicate, but pick on arguments. it's all there if you want to understand. if you prefer to believe that 100 guys at frontier have been secretly working on incredible and 'exciting(tm)' things the whole year then that's your prerogative and i'm perfectly fine, i have no need to convince you otherwise.
 
I hope you are aware that what they've showed in those stream I've mentioned is nothing I would consider "substantial", so much Adam Woods tried to sell it as such.

To be fair, way they have described that system really can't be much of use in screenshot gallery, at least in direct screenshots they did. Hard to say without video.
 
This isnt democracy, its a gaming company. They will invite specific people and they expect positive ground from them for PR reasons.

that's still not representation. actually, frontier calls them (quite amusingly) 'ambassadors'. if anything, they would represent frontier vs the world, not the other way around.

words have meaning, and the distinction is important. of course frontier is free to shape the game as they wish. but they are not free to state that they do so in communion with the community, through representatives, because such simply don't exist.

Ofc all this is just academic, as this took place way too late for any serious changes to happen, but hey.. lets keep the positive vibes flowing.

academic? no, lol, check your dictionary again. this is pure marketing, dude. positive vibes all along!
 
I'm really surprised that the Dev team are influenced by what these YouTubers publish. These guys rarely ever represent what I think about the game and don't seem to have well thought out ideas on most aspects of it. The reason this game is successful is because Braben's a smart guy and assembled a smart team to do what they thought was good. That's why hes got an OBE! The worst aspects of the game have come about by pandering to the outspoken part of the ED community. The silent majority might want the Dev team to ignore these guys and just do what they or the OBE guy think is good.

Perhaps if the silent majority wasn't so silent... hmm.

I know! How about a slogan?

WE ARE THE SILENT MAJORITY. HEAR WHAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY!!!
 
Perhaps if the silent majority wasn't so silent... hmm.

I know! How about a slogan?

WE ARE THE SILENT MAJORITY. HEAR WHAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY!!!

Issue is with silent majority - they are enjoy game as it is. Maybe have one suggestion here and there, post it on forums and don't make huge fuss about it.

That should always be taken into account when gathering feedback.

What I had in mind with my question was better illustrated by one of Ziljan's recent posts, in where he compared current lighting (and true lighting of the milky way) with the proposed lighting (sorry I'm still trying to find this post). I think it should be very well possible to make a general statement about his concerns in the lines of "nothing like that". If that would be the case I see no reason why to hide such a general statement behind the NDA. Otherwise it makes me worrying...

I really will trust people who saw actual thing here, because it is not a gameplay, but visual upgrade and while it is highly subjective sometimes, if they say it improves the game, I will believe them.
 
If that would be the case I see no reason why to hide such a general statement behind the NDA. Otherwise it makes me worrying...

Or the visitors prefer to err on the side of caution when in danger of breaking NDA. That said, I am sceptical whether the lighting changes amount to anything but a colour filter.
 
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