Sorry to go back to comments a number of pages back, but I don't forum every day.


Your thoughts on rogues matched mine. As there doesn't seem to be a way to jump to "dark systems", I spent time looking at likely inclined planets: like Shinrarta Dezhra B3 (off star LTT 4550) which is perpendicular to the plane.


(it's centered-ish as I was recording the logs)

As a gas giant, surely this could not be formed naturally, and has to be captured / ex-rogue?

I've basically stopped playing at the mo, but hopefully the Q4 update sparks my interest again, in which case i'll definitely be doing some more Rax hunting :)

Well, I was just trying to deduce how a RoguePlanet object type would appear to us as pilots in the game. It seems to me there are two alternatives, & maybe I didn’t make my thoughts clear (this is not uncommon, it rather depends on my recent intake history of either coffee or Lavian brandy). I’ve just finished my breakfast coffee, so here goes:

1) a RoguePlanet might appear in a conventional star system, when its orbit should be inclined to the ecliptic plane and its parameters when detail scanned should somehow denote it as a rogue, though it would be detectable using a basic scan.

2) it may appear in its own system and would therefore be targetable as a valid jump destination in the nav panel. This would implement the “dark systems” of the fiction in-game, and the fact that RoguePlanet parameter appears only in the system “Star Class” object type does suggest that this is possible in-game. Without a star there would be no illumination of the rogue beyond that of any local nebula or the background Milky Way, so it should indeed be very dark. Such a system would appear as an “A” mass type system (i.e. last part of the system name would be A?-? or A?) due to its low mass, but on the galmap when you select that system it should be labelled as “RoguePlanet” not as a “T” or “L” etc brown dwarf star, because it is a distinct RL and in-game object. Therefore I think it should be filterable in galmap & should probably appear under the “Protostar” filter setting.

I also suspected Shin Dez of housing Raxxla & looked at B3 in the past due to its inclination, however the lack of any information from a detailed scan to say it is a RoguePlanet is convincing. There are other RL mechanisms (I think, though astrophysics was not my subject) to cause a body native to a system to end up with an inclined orbit, so inclination is not a definitive indicator of a rogue. I still suspect Merope (I think 6 is highly inclined, goids are very keen on that system), Sol (too obvious?) and Lave systems (see DW’s fan fiction), since MB said Raxxla had to be “a little bit obvious”. It may be that the new exploration object scanning mechanism in chapter 4 will give us the ability to quickly reveal things hidden deep in a system & off the ecliptic (I seem to remember MB once coming out with a general comment that things were hidden off the ecliptic, though that may not relate to Raxxla).
 

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A Rogue Planet cruising inside a system shouldn't be called "Rogue" as long (very long time...) as it doesn't quit the system boundaries. Rogues orbit Sgr A*, by definition. (btw, incredibly low probability for a system to catch a rogue...)
Protostars, afaik, are a totally different stuff. Nothing to do with a "solid" body.
But, again, why not ? ED/FD definition of "consistency" is wide....
I think we could imagine Raxxla appearing in the GalMap as a class X, and as a rogue planet in the system map. It would fill both descriptions.
If there is only one X in all the GalMap, and maybe even obfuscated, then it wouldn't be surprising that nobody found it for now.
We assume the current ADS detects and maps all the bodies, except comets, inside a system. Don't we ?
 
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A Rogue Planet cruising inside a system shouldn't be called "Rogue" as long (very long time...) as it doesn't quit the system boundaries. Rogues orbit Sgr A*, by definition. (btw, incredibly low probability for a system to catch a rogue...)
Protostars, afaik, are a totally different stuff. Nothing to do with a "solid" body.
But, again, why not ? ED/FD definition of "consistency" is wide....
I think we could imagine Raxxla appearing in the GalMap as a class X, and as a rogue planet in the system map. It would fill both descriptions.
If there is only one X in all the GalMap, and maybe even obfuscated, then it wouldn't be surprising that nobody found it for now.
We assume the current ADS detects and maps all the bodies, except comets, inside a system. Don't we ?

That's correct, as far as I can read. Interlopers that are caught by the system, are no longer rogues. As soon as they have a permanent orbit, they are par of the system.

It's speculated that Venus may be an ex rogue, because it has retrograde rotation.

Objects like the comet Oumuamua, are real rogues, that just visit our system.
 
A Rogue Planet cruising inside a system shouldn't be called "Rogue" as long (very long time...) as it doesn't quit the system boundaries. Rogues orbit Sgr A*, by definition. (btw, incredibly low probability for a system to catch a rogue...)
Protostars, afaik, are a totally different stuff. Nothing to do with a "solid" body.
But, again, why not ? ED/FD definition of "consistency" is wide....
I think we could imagine Raxxla appearing in the GalMap as a class X, and as a rogue planet in the system map. It would fill both descriptions.
If there is only one X in all the GalMap, and maybe even obfuscated, then it wouldn't be surprising that nobody found it for now.
We assume the current ADS detects and maps all the bodies, except comets, inside a system. Don't we ?

Yes, I almost added exotic type as a possible filter criterion, but couldn’tremember the definition in the journal spec; insufficient breakfast coffee!

Mmm, never been convinced about the ADS providing an infinite scan range within a system! And it doesn’t work for USS...

While I’ve been thinking about the RoguePlanet object type as a possible solution for Raxxla, I’m still not 100% convinced that it would be, on the grounds that a dark planet would be pretty boring. Yes, it is a planet in Holdstock’s original source book, and again in Drew Wagar’s Oolite series of fan fiction. However I wonder with FD’s (i.e. DB’s) penchant for retconning previous lore whether this might not have been changed for the in-game solution. Holdstock’s original source had: “Raxxla's no alien, Alex. It's a ghost world. A planet. A legend...... Does it exist, or does it not? If it does, then on Raxxla there's an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes, and all that's in those Universes in the way of bounty, and treasures, and aliens, and life”

And there is one interesting comment that might define the criterion for finding it: “One thing's for sure,' Rafe went on drily. 'Unless you get there, unless you become élite, you'll never get to Raxxla.”. So maybe you do have to be Elite in combat (the only rank division in the original game, or perhaps triple elite in ED) to find it, however I can’t see that fitting in with the fact that it might be haphazardly found by some random explorer. This suggests Raxxla will be found either via the Shinrarta permit, or an elite-rank mission (which would presumably provide the permit to the system containing).

Moreover Holdstock had: “Could Cirag be Raxxla? Could it be the world my father mentioned before he died?' 'No way. Cirag is Cirag, and Raxxla—if it exists—is in another Galaxy”; now this was for the original Elite game which had several galaxies which I think correspond to ED sectors, in ED we only have one galaxy. So Raxxla should not be in the same ED sector as Cirag (does Cirag exist in-game?). And we know FD have said there will be only one galaxy in ED, so Raxxla cannot have a gateway to a non-existent second universe, so perhaps it is a galaxy in the sense of the original game (i.e. a wormhole between two ED sectors), alternatively it might be a station named “Raxxla Gateway” with some unusual alien commodities. In the latter case it might well be currently locked behind a system permit since the current in-game Guardian & Thargoid aliens don’t seen to have such commodities or stations so it might suggest a third alien race that FD are reserving to extend the game life. That might be why the Dark Wheel missions have disappeared for the present.

whatever the solution to Raxxla , I’m sure it will not fulfil the desires of many and there will be much salt spreading when (if) it’s actually found. I’m just enjoying the puzzle!
 
That's correct, as far as I can read. Interlopers that are caught by the system, are no longer rogues. As soon as they have a permanent orbit, they are par of the system.

It's speculated that Venus may be an ex rogue, because it has retrograde rotation.

Objects like the comet Oumuamua, are real rogues, that just visit our system.

Yes, that might be why RoguePlanet is only a parameter in the Star Class type. If a rogue reaches a system with other objects then it might well be captured and become a “naturalised immigrant”.
 
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Yes, that might be why RoguePlanet is only a parameter in the Star Class type. If reaches a system with other objects then it might well be captured and become a “naturalised immigrant”.

Probably.
A real rogue could spend hundreds of years within the bounderies of a system, but I don’t think Stellar forge creates objects like that.

If it did, they should be displayed with no orbital period at all.
 
About the "Galaxies", they appeared being other sectors of the MW, yes. At least seems so:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Find-Raxxla?p=7050512&viewfull=1#post7050512

I would say the same for the other RZ's "Universes"

So, with that in mind, do we think that when we do find Raxxla, if it does have a doorway / portal to another "galaxy", that "galaxy" will really just be another point in the Milky Way?

I say "just": jumping right across the galaxy through portals or "star gates" would be pretty cool in itself.

Might they allow access to regions of space that are otherwise permit locked from outside?
 
Might be. Without considering as possible to (RP>) be brought back to my original place and time (<RP), it would be so exciting to have a new entire galaxy to explore. But without a filled-up GalMap, this time. 'Fog of war' -like. Ok, I am pushing my wishes too much up. Best we can hope, imho, is to get some locked system/region opened, just like you said. I'll wait for the DU release for the really exciting stuff...

Small Magellanic Cloud, about 7000 light years across. Raxxla can be found once Frontier have that sorted and we can head on over. :)

I don't think it's that far-fetched, but it would be a long way off.

Before a new galaxy you'd want to have your planetary tech mostly done really, since it's a shot at a galactic 2.0. And planetary tech will be a good while yet. :(
 
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So, with that in mind, do we think that when we do find Raxxla, if it does have a doorway / portal to another "galaxy", that "galaxy" will really just be another point in the Milky Way?

I say "just": jumping right across the galaxy through portals or "star gates" would be pretty cool in itself.

Might they allow access to regions of space that are otherwise permit locked from outside?

I think that’s an interesting possibility, though I’m not so sure whether FD would go to that much trouble in programming the game. I lean more to the “Raxxla Gateway” station trading in artefacts from a third alien race.

edit: however as Luko said “what better way to hide something than in a myth”, so Raxxla exists (DB has said so) but it may be nothing like the myth as presented in Holdstock’s The Dark Wheel.
 
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Why not both? "Twisted Men" may accept new authorized traders at their "colonial counter" without allowing them to go further.
Ol'Empire Hong-Kong-like. (for Brits ;)

Then we will have to...convince them to open the Gate to us... And so we recreate a large part of human history in the ED Universe.
(I'll play the Spaniards side !)


I understand this ( as far as my teribble Englich reaches) as Raxxla is much more easy to find, and inventing a myth of ghost-obfuscate-unreachable planet is a way to discourage the plain Explorers. The thing is, there are chimerae hunters like us Rifters who are looking for exactly this kind of exploration !

Here Be Dragons! Rifters chimera hunters Raxxla wonderers!

Here are this week’s chimera results:
Raxxla Wonderers 3......Third Alien Race 14

But I don’t believe Raxxla is anything to do with any portal to LMC, SMC, Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy, or anything else. Someone at FD definitely said there is only one galaxy in ED. I think it was at the time when there was much muttering that the logo on the barnacles could mean they came from the LMC. I credit FD with being honest with us, though also machiavellian...

A station called “Raxxla Gateway” would allow for these twisted elites to be housed, if indeed they are not also part of the myth.

If Raxxla is a RoguePlanet, in its own system therefore a valid fsd jump destination, it may not exist in the galmap & may just appear in the nav panel when you are within 20LY; I’m undecided about this possibility.
 
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If Raxxla is a RoguePlanet, in its own system therefore a valid fsd jump destination, it may not exist in the galmap & may just appear in the nav panel when you are within 20LY; I’m undecided about this possibility.

My heart breaks at the possibility of finding something like that. The chances are unfathomable.
 
pointing to Raxxla

Perhaps our focus should be on The Talmore Lenses. They are in different places aiming at Raxxla. -THE LENS BEARER- Standing alone in honor of those incredible few who devoted their entire lives to the keeping of the lens. Coordinates: -49.1828 / 167.9941 SYNUEFE UY-R B34-0 4a
 
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Did you try some trilateration ?

Btw, did someone try to find if the Telescope/Antena at Puleston Arsenal (or is it at Neumann Camp ?) keeps aiming always at the same point?
It’s Neumann Camp. I’ve not checked myself (haven’t got access) but IIRC Genar-Hofoen had said that it always pointed towards Col 70.
 
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