Powerplay FDev, for God's sake, make Powerplay OPEN ONLY already!

[CMDR_Brantford of FLC]

I'm more mad at Grom's success then the Empire opposition to be honest.

Frontier knows that the AFK Healies for Feelies turretboat exploit is being used there.. they've acknowledged to those of us pointing it out that its an exploit... and said they would address it and have utterly failed to.

SO yea.. we're salty.. but between a 900K merit bomb we could not defend against because it was done mostly in PG and the Grom guys winning their 4 weaponized expansions from the safety of their PG AND racking up hundreds of thousand of merits while likely not being in front of the game all week..I think we have a right to be salty.

Throw in the 5C problem that everyone has (except Grom, curiously enough) and PP has issues that Frontier cannot keep pretending aren't there.

 

[Ethaidan]

For those who don't know, Winters was attempting an expansion to Diegakul, only for a 900,000 Merit nuke to be dropped. The system in open has been under federal CAP the whole week. Every attempted offense in was quickly repelled. How could they have done this?

Rather than engage in what the devs describe as "consensual PvP" they just SMASH THAT SOLO BUTTON and don't face ANY opposition!

I did know that, but only because of a post calling Imps to Arms in an effort to resist. So, given my current pledge, I thought I'd drop in and have a look see at the masses of Winter's ships furiously delivering aid to support the expansion effort. I saw one - one shieldless cutter pledged to Winter. And what did this pilot do when s/he happened upon my Clipper, pledged to Denton (with a massive PP bounty)? Nothing. I was left to my own pleasures, popping Fed-Aid ships, submitting to Fed-Agent ships... racking up more merits & Winter bounties. Bit underwhelming if I'm honest.

Don't misunderstand stand me, I'm in no way opposed to Open PP. 900,000 is impressive and Open only will probably have an impact on events like this, but what next PC only PP?

PS I am opposed to moving the PP weapons to tech brokers, but that's a different thread.

 

[BromeTeks]

To the people saying "But instancing!"

We never have much trouble when they send PvPers! And we have players on every platform! It's absolutely PG that is the issue.

 

[Ethaidan]

We never have much trouble when they send PvPers! And we have players on every platform! It's absolutely PG that is the issue.

Are you sure? I saw one, so technically you do, but from what I've seen (undermining, hauling, etc.) if I cared to organise a dedicated PS4 PP group we could operate near unopposed.

 

[Maztek]

Guys, Powerplay is often limited to 4 players max in Open, there are fundamental issues none of us can get around atm, they need bug-fixes before Open-only can be considered:


1. Only one instance can get UM spawns at a Nav/RES beacon. That means at most only 4 players can UM at a time (and interdicting is too inefficient). One player can AFK there and block them all cycle, some mean players do it intentionally, others by accident. That renders the other hundred players unable to play all week. All powers are forced to balance their forces, Winters are no exception.

2. All pads can be blocked in Open with alts. Just imagine if Rhea was full of alts all week, you'd be dead in the water, unable to fortify. And one player can block a MPad; innocent overnight freeloaders would be nightmares.

3. If just one person stays docked in an instance for a while, the other pads gradually fill with static Orcas and Belugas, whilst others bug out the wrong way round, are recessed, or the ILS invisible. This bug began around 18 months ago and is a major headache in Powerplay, whether in Open or PGs, many of us cannot land without several attempts if another players been docked a while. We keep having to fly out and trying a different pad number. Eventually they all bug out and no-one can land.

4. Wing kill stealing limits at most 4 players to each combat expansion zone.

Mostly the poster seems salty because of losing the weekly competition. Only one side can win, the other must lose, it's character building, embrace it. You guys put in quite a bit of effort, but not nearly as much as the opposition despite the trigger advantage. It was always going to end that way when you're up against a superior force like the Empire. We even toyed with the idea of letting you have Diegakul as it would've made emo-Winters negative. But after a toss-up decided it would be nicer going positive, especially after the 5C had us below -900 CC once upon a time. You can go negative next time maybe. Salt aside, we start a new week now and you can play better, with new opportunities. We had problems finding Winters haulers in Open too, their 700K+ most of it appearing out of thin air. I couldn't instance with my friends hauling in Open because of instancing being what it is, so who knows, maybe everyone is in many other Opens. It's business as usual. See us throwing toys out of prams when we're beaten, you do not.

These are all legitimate strategies. If a group buys that many alts, so be it. The difference is that people can see when attacks are happening and fight back.

 

[BromeTeks]

Are you sure? I saw one, so technically you do, but from what I've seen (undermining, hauling, etc.) if I cared to organise a dedicated PS4 PP group we could operate near unopposed.

If that were the case, we would organize a PS4 PvP wing. Since we don't have that issue right now, we haven't bothered.

If you think we're hauling in PG because you don't see us that often, bear in mind that between loading & unloading, jumping, etc, a hauler will probably spend less than 5 minutes of every hour in supercruise in the target system.

 

[Ethaidan]

If that were the case, we would organize a PS4 PvP wing. Since we don't have that issue right now, we haven't bothered.

If you think we're hauling in PG because you don't see us that often, bear in mind that between loading & unloading, jumping, etc, a hauler will probably spend less than 5 minutes of every hour in supercruise in the target system.

And therein lies part of the problem - actually crossing paths (and you've just undermined your argument!). I spent hours in SC circling around the outposts in Diegakul, only dropping out of SC to quickly pop Fed-Aid ships, but saw only one Winter's ship. And that was only on one of the sessions I spent there - otherwise it was just me. And this was the case for the last cycle - at a different contested system - I saw no other ships that could have opposed my actions. Maybe any PS4 opponents were in solo, I just assume they were on PC.

 

[BromeTeks]

And therein lies part of the problem - actually crossing paths (and you've just undermined your argument!). I spent hours in SC circling around the outposts in Diegakul, only dropping out of SC to quickly pop Fed-Aid ships, but saw only one Winter's ship. And that was only on one of the sessions I spent there - otherwise it was just me. And this was the case for the last cycle - at a different contested system - I saw no other ships that could have opposed my actions. Maybe any PS4 opponents were in solo, I just assume they were on PC.

The haulers only spend a short time there, but the CAP spent hours sitting in SC refreshing the instances to make sure there was nobody there in open.

 

[Toumal]

GUYS. THIS IS EASY TO FIX.

NOT IT IS NOT.

ALSO YOUR CAPS KEY IS ON.

Ahem. What you either forget or ignore is that there is 1) No way to ensure that you see your opposition, and 2) opposition that doesn't want to be seen by you can easily avoid you, both by blocking traffic of players trying to join their instance, or by using the ingame block mechanic. Or are you trying to make FD give up the block feature while you're at it?

So no. You didn't think this through. You are also not the majority.

You're just very very loud.

And caps lock isn't cruise control for important.

 

[znôrt]

Why are you so paralyzed by indecision? Worried about upsetting the "muh content" crowd? PUT THE PP MODULES IN THE TECH BROKER. THERE. THE ONLY THING PEOPLE MISS OUT ON IS THE MULTIPLAYER MODE.

no balls. that or they know deep inside that the moment they make pp open only, they'll have to forfeit the whole p2p toy. you should think about that too, be careful with what you wish for. i used to advocate for this too when sandro came out of the closet, for only this reason. since they backed down it was clear there's no real will.

and some financial criteria might be involved too. naive gameplay that attracts a million casual players is still better business than good gameplay with a few thousand hobbyists.

 

[BromeTeks]

So no. You didn't think this through. You are also not the majority.

It's the Devs who said they wanted to make PP open only, and the Devs who proposed the way they'd do it. And the vast majority of the comments in that thread were pro-open only.

 

[Nagual]

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It's the Devs who said they wanted to make PP open only, and the Devs who proposed the way they'd do it. And the vast majority of the comments in that thread were pro-open only.

For context the vast majority of players don't post in the forums, either.

 

[BromeTeks]

For context the vast majority of players don't post in the forums, either.

A lot of people, including me, all hopped on to comment. It was all over the social media sites.

 

[Toumal]

A lot of people, including me, all hopped on to comment. It was all over the social media sites.

You're still not the majority. Even if you are really enthused about your proposal. Sorry.

 

[CMDR_Brantford of FLC]

You're still not the majority. Even if you are really enthused about your proposal. Sorry.

IF Frontier put a poll in-game to those who actually play Powerplay (not those theoretically opposed who don't play - as was evident in those threads Sandro posted) I would bet you'd see majority support for it, as on the thread.. So let Frontier do that.

 

[CMDR_Brantford of FLC]

I'd call for that to be removed too - the in-game block feature - for the exact reasons you've specified.

NOT IT IS NOT.

ALSO YOUR CAPS KEY IS ON.

Ahem. What you either forget or ignore is that there is 1) No way to ensure that you see your opposition, and 2) opposition that doesn't want to be seen by you can easily avoid you, both by blocking traffic of players trying to join their instance, or by using the ingame block mechanic. Or are you trying to make FD give up the block feature while you're at it?

 

[BromeTeks]

You're still not the majority. Even if you are really enthused about your proposal. Sorry.

You keep telling yourself that.

 

[Bigmaec]

I say bring it on. My body FdL is ready.

 

[StealthPasta]

as my original response is still awaiting moderator approval, here is a second version with fewer expletives. Message to FDev. Sort this <<redacted>> mess out. While you tolerate the situation where one PP faction can nullify the efforts of another simply by using game exploits PP is meaningless. That's not fair competition, that's just cheating. And you know it - you have acknowledged that publicly in the past. Despite that you have done nothing to fix it. By leaving the situation unaddressed you are alienating your most loyal and dedicated playerbase. So … no more store purchases until you sort this out. Over to you.

 

[Azreh Helas]

Pp in pg is like two football teams playing each other on two different fields. Its a dumb thing and boring.