Modes Why does PvP in open even exist ???

[Dietger]

Let's face it: PvP has no game driven structures in ED, no game related rewards or other justifications and very weak consequences. On top it all sorts of unpredictabilities from a P2P network that is 'brokered' by a central server, including all sorts of instancing issues (I didn't say 'broken' but it comes close). So does PvP in any given instance require at least one player with open ports (e.g. port forwarding or UPnP) to act as a host, otherwise bad luck and no one won't see anyone. And that's only the tip of the iceberg...

If all this still appeals to you then all power to you. But I hope you can also understand why many commanders simply can't take this sort of PvP seriously and rather stay away from it or do it with some friends at best, which is also perfectly doable in Open (FWIW) with just a tiny bit of experience. Those who don't understand these preconditions usually end up as frustrated griefers and start endless debates of the kind "why can't ED be like EVE" or similar nonsense. Do whatever you want but don't be that guy.

Thank you pi

This is it I wanted to hear all along!

As You so eloquently put it PvP is left alone in Elite Dangerous in Open.

I couldn't put it more nicely, then you did here, for me.

A honest! summarisation, PvP has no place in Open.

Beside ganging and abuse, according to you, and sadly many others.



S!

 

[Havvk]

As You so eloquently put it PvP is left alone in Elite Dangerous in Open.

A honest! summarisation, PvP has no place in Open.

Beside ganging and abuse, according to you, and sadly many others.



S!

I vehemently disagree. PvP has as much place in open as PvE and everything else.

Some people like PvP, some don't. Who cares? At the end of the day, no matter the actual nuances at play right now, you can just easily press a magic button called "Solo" ...Rumor has it that there's an even more magical and elusive button called "PG", but I think Raxxla is more real to be honest.

 

[Dietger]

PvP in Open needs an implementation.

PvP and PvE players respect each other, except PVP is purposely exclusively in needs of live opposition!

Please understand this. I respect all partaking here!

All contributing.


S!

 

[Havvk]

PvP in open is already implemented..



If it wasn't, theen....what we're doing now can be considered exploiting or whatever you wanna call it and even I should be perma banned

 

[Dietger]

PvP in open is already implemented..



If it wasn't, theen....what we're doing now can be considered exploiting or whatever you wanna call it and even I should be perma banned

Neither in Powerplay nor in BGS

Quote:

One of these days, I really need to get around to making a flow chart that demonstrates all the various and myriad ways “Open Only” advocates can use PvP to defend a faction they support against an attack.

Until then, here’s a preview:

“Anything You Do That Isn’t PvE” => “I Win”

Seriously, if you’re not doing PvE to counter my actions, then I win every time. More than likely, you’ll never be instanced with me, despite the fact that I play in Open. Unless you live near me, have a similar non-traditional work schedule, and play on the same platform, you’ll never encounter me. On the off chance we do get instanced, you still can’t win. The way the BGS works, it’s fairly trivial to set up a Xanatos Gambit, were if I get past you, I win, but if you kill me, you lose worse.

Quoting Darkfyre99

 

[Havvk]

Where's AP IBirdman, Riverside or Bob at? What's stopping you from PvPing while doing BGS things in open or during PP in open?!

 

[Mouse]

Mouse I do mean, all.

Being one of many. Is being part of it.



So basically: PvP players do in Open as they see fit?

I was replying to Hawk

What are you doing in Open?

What do PvP players do it Open?

What everyone else does.... play a game.

Thank you pi

This is it I wanted to hear all along!

As You so eloquently put it PvP is left alone in Elite Dangerous in Open.

I couldn't put it more nicely, then you did here, for me.

A honest! summarisation, PvP has no place in Open.

Beside ganging and abuse, according to you, and sadly many others.



S!

This is interesting... "This is what I wanted to hear all along" and "An honest! summarisation, PVP has no place in Open. Besides ganging and abuse, according to you, and sadly many others".

The reason this is interesting is because multiple people have given you an honest summarisation, but you only considered his honest because that is what you expected to hear.

And I will fully disagree. Open has a place in Open, it also has a place in PVP PGs. There is no "besides ganging and abusing" those are what some have decided PVP should be so they are doing those actions... those are not ALL PVPers and again the rest of the PVPers need to Wrech PVP away from those types and reclaim it. PVP is what YOU make it

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Where's AP IBirdman, Riverside or Bob at? What's stopping you from PvPing while doing BGS things in open or during PP in open?!

I do all my PP etc in open.
I've said so on many occasions here.

You are clueless.

 

[Speedcuffs]

Where's AP IBirdman, Riverside or Bob at? What's stopping you from PvPing while doing BGS things in open or during PP in open?!

What is this thread about?
OP, anybody, please explain.
I've read through it all several times now.
Don't understand.:S

 

[Robert Maynard]

Neither in Powerplay nor in BGS

Any reward for PvP, in relation to the BGS or Powerplay, can be gamed by players as the reward would be based on the assumption of a contested encounter whereas players can, and some no doubt would, collude to gain the rewards without opposition.

 

[Dietger]

What is this thread about?
OP, anybody, please explain.
I've read through it all several times now.
Don't understand.:S

Basically

PvP is left out, hanging in Open, Modes exclude direct encounters in Powerplay and during BGS manipulation.

 

[Havvk]

I do all my PP etc in open.
I've said so on many occasions here.

You are clueless.

What?



I was asking for one of you to help back me up in explaining the reason PvP is acceptable gameplay in open, I don't know what you're on about though.

 

[CMDR Cknarf]

Hey, this thread again.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

What?



I was asking for one of you to help back me up in explaining the reason PvP is acceptable gameplay in open, I don't know what you're on about though.

Don't drag me into your nonsense.
That's what.

 

[Havvk]

I don't know what's eating you, but I was hoping somebody with more PvP experience would help. But seeing as how that's not the case, this thread might as well be over as far as I can see it.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

I don't know what's eating you, but I was hoping somebody with more PvP experience would help. But seeing as how that's not the case, this thread might as well be over as far as I can see it.

Nothing is eating me.
Read my sig son, it's there precisely for those types of comments!

Why do you feel the need to say stuff about me that you have no evidence for?
And you want my help?
Take care of your own arguments.

 

[Jockey79]

What?



I was asking for one of you to help back me up in explaining the reason PvP is acceptable gameplay in open, I don't know what you're on about though.

You don't need to explain it, PvP is there for optional fun.
You know this, I know this, they know this.

Plenty of PvP games out there, but making a thread to complain about this not being one of them is in fashion, again.

 

[Zieman]

Dammit Havvk, you summoned Bob to get this thread closed, just when the discussion was getting interesting.

 

[Jockey79]

Dammit Havvk, you summoned Bob to get this thread closed, just when the discussion was getting interesting.

Interesting?

Maybe first time around, but this is old hat now.

 

[Havvk]

Dammit Havvk, you summoned Bob to get this thread closed, just when the discussion was getting interesting.

Oh my bad, but let's not point fingers here.