Are we there yet?
Hmm has it? Last I recall I can’t multicrew or Wing up in solo. I guess features have been locked to certain modes. It also was only said that at this time it was just a discussion. They however, did not confirm it will not be going open only or if they won’t or aren’t considering making changes to PP. so why don’t you off in X4 where you can have an entirely solo experience?
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I'm sure FD would be super happy to have all there solo players leave the game.
Just responding in sarcasm with a comment of similar ilk to the one I responded to.
What's the saying " a eye for a eye will make the whole world blind " Mr.Gandhi I think
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Could I suggest less 'sarcastic' responses in the future? Telling people to .... off is not going to promote a good forum experience, for all parties.
That would be great.
That would be great.
If that was true, then why wasn’t Powerplay designed around this mechanic you described. Why do I get the same amount of merits, regardless of whether I deliver them in Solo, PG, Open during my normal play time (which has a almost no opposition), or Open during my local prime time, which has a negligible amount of opposition?
For a mechanism that is about “killing players or shooting them,” there is precious little incentive to do that if you want to achieve your goals, as opposed to slowing down the other side from achieving theirs. Even then, countering them via a PvE is much more efficient than spending time in the vague hope of an opportunity to oppose someone else.
Personally, I think a much bigger obstacle to players interacting the way you want is how instancing “works.” A significant majority of players play in Open, but as a local non-prime time player, I’d never know it. And if Steam Charts is to be believed, I play during global peak players, where there is three times the number of players than my local prime time.
I can very much understand what you’re saying here, but I have to wonder how how this is functionally different from, say, having several accounts, gathering your merits during during local non-peak hours, and waiting for the tick. Or for that matter, a player whose “weekend” falls before the tick. That, and why do you think this hyper competitive player whose “gaming” the system by using their choice of mode to play their way, won’t game the system in other ways, to gain an advantage?
On that we agree. One would think that if PP was heavily favored by PvPers, they would be more willing to play in Open for the PvP than the rest of the player base, not less.
That, at least, seems reasonable.
This is where you and I disagree. If fun and rewarding PvP is your goal, then you should reward the PvP, not penalize the mode choice. If done right, there is no reason why competing CGs, Powerplay, or for that matter the BGS can’t have rewards for completing goals in the face of actual player opposition. The hard part, of course, is doing it right.
Personally, whenever I see some variation of “Frontier doesn’t understand X,” I mentally substitute “play in exactly the same way I play” for “understand.”
On that we agree.
In my experience, most of the people interested in this kind of “emergent content” assume they’ll be the hunters. When it comes time to be the hunted or the defense thereof, they find other things to do.
Because FD did not understand the impact of modes and poor design choices. See down the page for more.
Many groups currently take the easy guaranteed path which is grinding away in PG / Solo, hence its hard to see how a fully Open only PP would behave. Its a shame beta did not simply throw the switch to find out. If people have to look over their shoulders when gaining merits they won't be as efficient.
P2P is an issue, but thats a game wide problem that FD have to face. But, instancing has improved immeasurably since ED 1.0.
Then you are unlucky. Its not a perfect system, but I'd take a non-zero chance of meeting someone who'd rip my ship in half than simply zombie haul, where each trip is exactly the same. Large wing battles are not rare these days.
Powerplay starts at 8am (ish) UK time Thursday and ends 7am the following week- real time enemy patterns during that period in Open is fine, because you are still taking the risk that someone might be there. Its like air patrols before RADAR was introduced- how did people know when the enemy would be in the sky? They did it by noting times and being vigilant.
Whats poor is having groups and individuals who have accounts sat in combat expansions (in PG or solo) with no credible opposition to either scare them off or destroy them. They simply sit there in G5 armoured ships and generate merits with a zero chance of ever seeing a credible opponent. If the new CZ mechanics were in PP now, this would be much less of a problem, but they are not.
Flying around, seeing your teammates and getting into scrapes is satisfying. Instead of chasing a progress bar and pressing J every minute, you have a whole spectrum of tasks, roles and experiences to do. There is nothing better than bringing a plan together that you all worked on and see each other do it, protecting each other etc. Its the interaction and use of skills that is rewarding, and IMO Open PP gives that.
Personally, whenever I see some variation of “Frontier doesn’t understand X,” I mentally substitute “play in exactly the same way I play” for “understand.”
FD don't. They lied about Collapse, ignored the playerbase regarding bugs and the impact the modes has on PP. They did not understand how the combination of merit hauling, merit decay, collusion piracy, 5C, engineering, modes, 'black box' obfuscation of how a complex system worked (forcing players to pick apart how it worked in the dark for years) had at all. They introduced a massively flawed feature with no testing, and no clear development path. It went from 1.3 Powerplay fanfare to utter silence.
Does that sound like Frontier understanding Powerplay and its implications when it was introduced?
From my experience Powerplay players don't fit into strict roles. From my time in Utopia to now in The Kings Domain players fill all roles. They haul, and switch roles as needed. This is not like guarding a fort, defense means chasing away rivals while haulers evade.
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Also they're likely to be in that system anyway with the purpose of undermining your Powers NPCs
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Indeed. If the New System™ comes to pass, this will become ever more relevant because it cuts down territory used in PP by about 9/10th its current size.
If only Frontier would understand PvP.
I wonder if they really care for the incrediences they use to cook their soup?
I doubt it.
Gaming modes, switching stances and "gaming a game", read: BGS manipulation is what most players feel comfortable with. Fair play, jousting on equal terms, and Esports, all that.
Fine.
Sammarco, at liberty, remained PvP players in sense: "Your doing PvP & PvE in turns, as the the game needs it and sees fit" *.
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PvP is abused in Elite Dangerous. Abused to created emergent game play.
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BGS Manipulation, Powerplay, CGs, EXPLORATION, etc. Is an orchestra played by Frontier.
Take yours** and join us. The music your gonna play is in front of you.
*To lazy to dig it up for you Ladies or Gentlemen but take it for granted. I am not a lair.
** Instrument
I wonder if they really care for the incrediences they use to cook their soup?
I doubt it.
Gaming modes, switching stances and "gaming a game", read: BGS manipulation is what most players feel comfortable with. Fair play, jousting on equal terms, and Esports, all that.
Fine.
Sammarco, at liberty, remained PvP players in sense: "Your doing PvP & PvE in turns, as the the game needs it and sees fit" *.
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PvP is abused in Elite Dangerous. Abused to created emergent game play.
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BGS Manipulation, Powerplay, CGs, EXPLORATION, etc. Is an orchestra played by Frontier.
Take yours** and join us. The music your gonna play is in front of you.
*To lazy to dig it up for you Ladies or Gentlemen but take it for granted. I am not a lair.
** Instrument
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Granted, Humor is a brilliant starting point.
Wont somebody think of the children?
Women abused?
You'd have thought as Brett was in earlier he would of thrown a crumb of information to the starving masses.