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if we took all the known data we do have on the activity surrounding the old Dark Wheel missions and join the dots in a spacial ERD what will we get?

Honestly I think it would just be chaos as probably random, which is why I won't tackle it...

Old E/F missions started in one "cluster" in the center of the Bubble and then moved to three others in the rim successively.
And disappeared.
Easy to see this kind of pattern with the data in the FP. Macros did a great work.
(I spent months following this track. Found (almost) nothing. If anyone interested in performing an experiment, just ask me. By definition, can only be done once per Cmdr. I don't know if it still works, as much more than a year passed since. Shame on me I didn't take a screenshot at that time... :eek: But how would I have known beforehand that it was unrepeatable?)
 
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Old E/F missions started in one "cluster" in the center of the Bubble and then moved to three others in the rim successively.
And disappeared.
Easy to see this kind of pattern with the data in the FP. Macros did a great work.
(I spent months following this track. Found (almost) nothing. If anyone interested in performing an experiment, just ask me. By definition, can only be done once per Cmdr. I don't know if it still works, as much more than a year passed since. Shame on me I didn't take a screenshot at that time... :eek: But how would I have known beforehand that it was unrepeatable?)
What kind of experiment?
 
OK do bare with me - we've been drinking.

Fever dream last night...dreamt of various factions, then the gaps between them, it created a network. The network of unpopulated areas which had concentrations. One of them had six spokes...

This came I realise as a reverse of what we do at work. We gather intelligence on nominals; their personal details, locality and connections with others. This is used to identify spacial relationships and focus resources. Its called ERD - Entity relationship modelling.

I know we have very little hard evidence regards Raxxla but I suppose what I'm trying to get at is, if we took all the known data we do have on the activity surrounding the old Dark Wheel missions and join the dots in a spacial ERD what will we get?

Honestly I think it would just be chaos as probably random, which is why I won't tackle it...

Then again some ERDs show voids where intelligence is missing....this sometimes is as powerful as solid intel...it can show operational thinking or where resources should be focused.

OK the baco-foil just ran out...back to reality. I'm going to check down the back of the sofa again that's normally where things turn up.
This.^

It would be immensely helpful to know exactly where the gaps in our knowledge lie regarding The Dark Wheel.
 
Hello CMDRs,

Has anyone considered the fact that "Astrophil and Stella" may very well be a wild goose chase?

I mean, "astrophil" means star-lover, i get it, the sonnets were nice, but "astrophel" actually means star-cork. There's a Cork Nebula (Little Dumbbell nebula), and also a Little Dumbbell Sector well in the reach of a Cobra. I think it's worth checking out.
Also, after listening to the Codex entrance, i find it curious that it's pronounced a-strophel and not astro-phel (the accent falls on the "o"). It may be nothing, but after all, this thread is just a huge brainstorming session. :)
Those were my 2 cents for now.

o7
 
Old E/F missions started in one "cluster" in the center of the Bubble and then moved to three others in the rim successively.
And disappeared.
Easy to see this kind of pattern with the data in the FP. Macros did a great work.
(I spent months following this track. Found (almost) nothing. If anyone interested in performing an experiment, just ask me. By definition, can only be done once per Cmdr. I don't know if it still works, as much more than a year passed since. Shame on me I didn't take a screenshot at that time... :eek: But how would I have known beforehand that it was unrepeatable?)

Well I'm looking for something to do..
 
Back On Topic. Sorry for text wall. It was some work.
This is what myself and a few others came up with. I see we are not alone on some of our ideas.
Based on the emphasis on the word "To...." in the toast the DW toast is likely a roadmap. Roadmap to what? Who knows?
"To the Jewel that burns on the brow of the Mother of Galaxies"
The Star In Cassiopeia's (Mother of Princess Andromeda) Brow is Zeta Cassiopeia and that is the believed starting point. This would be fitting given the meaning of Zeta Cass has been defined as a by-path or auxillary road.

"To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!"
From Zeta Cass one of the first things that sticks out is the burning bright NGC 7822 with its beautiful jewel like string of Class O's, but this could be easily missed if this line of the toast was not included. But this line draws your attention toward the rift. Take a look at Zeta Cass for yourself.
Formadine Rift Alpha Settlement
Expedition Log 07/10/3270
"I'm scared... help me someone... I can't bear another jump. The lights in witch-space are coming for me. The lights... always the lights... they're calling to me... a siren song... I must join them..."

At this point the next step is to physically move to the next clue location, NGC 7822. Becuase if you stick around Zeta Cass, you will feel empty handed.

From here we move to the book Astrophel and Stella. We're under the impression that Princess Astrophel and The Spiraling Stars is a reference to the irl book Astrophel and Stella.
From here it's time to move to the Sonnets in the book. I feel that the whole book of sonnets is too much, and the more likely and easier to decipher piece of material is the wiki on the book, which lists only 4 sonnets.

Sonnet 1 appears to show you the struggles of being a truth seeker when it starts with the 3 words, "Loving in truth." But it does not appear to be much more than that.
The next one in the list is Sonnet 9. Which will assist us in our next clue from the toast.

"The parents grief, the lover's woe and the yearning of our vagabond hearts."- At this point these lines may not make sense, so we will refer back the sonnets. It seems to be a jumping back and forth from the toast to the Sonnets.

Sonnet 9 appears to be describing a physical location. We believe this to be NGC 7822.
"Queen Vertues court, some call Stellas face"- is believed to be the face of the NGC 7822 Nebula, like the face of a mountain.

"Prepar'd by Natures chiefest furniture"- is describing a place with the highest grade materials used in its construction.

"Hath his front built of Alabaster pure"- These are likely the bright white Class O's that string across the nebula.

"Gold is the covering of that stately place
The doore by which sometimes comes forth her Grace"- we haven't deciphered this.

"Red Porphir is, which locke of pearl makes sure"- Porphir is a red rock, which the nebula has many many of, as well as what could be deemed Pearls, Class O's.

"Whose porches rich (which name of cheeks endure)"- I can only say that Cheeks endure is a reference to something or someone who is talked about for a long time, generations perhaps.

"Marble mixt red and white do enterlace."- This would be a fitting description for NGC 7822 (And many other nebulas) as both are the prominent colors.

"The windowes now through which this heav'nly guest
Looks over the world, and can find nothing such,
Which dare claime from those lights the name of best."- To many, self included, this is one of, if not the most beautiful nebula and these lines seem to be a confirmation of being in the right place.

"Of touch they are that without touch doth touch"- We believe that this is the Heart and Soul Nebulas.
My heart and my soul may never touch, but they are always touching. They are mutually inclusive. This would give the running joke "Raxxla's inside of your heart" some context.
If you've explored the pearl-like Class O's of NGC 7822 you will find the tourist beacon "Cupids Arrow" in Class-O system, S171 34.
Which leads us to our next clue. The beacons message says "The beautiful NGC 7822 nebula is pierced by a line of O-stars- therefore it has been compared to Cupid's arrow piercing a heart."

At this point we need to direct our attention to the last line of sonnet 9 for confirmation that we're on the right trail,
"Which Cupids selfe from Beauties myne did draw:
Of touch they are, and poore I am their straw."- Seems to be the Cupid reference we were looking for.

From here we move to the next sonnet in the series, #19.
"On Cupid's bow how are my heartstrings bent,
That see my wrack, and yet embrace the same?"- When aligned properly the Class O-s of NGC 7822 align perfectly with Andromeda/Formadine Rift in one direction, and Bubble/Polaris in the opposite direction. We assume we are to be looking toward Andromeda and not the bubble at this point. NGC 281 Nebula is in line with the arrow from NGC 7822 to Andromeda, but we have searched every system in NGC 281 and found nothing.
But turning up nothing may be a good thing, it may be a confirmation of sorts that we need at this point as it affirms the next line.

"When most I glory, then I feel most shame:
I willing run, yet while I run, repent.
My best wits still their own disgrace invent"- This seems to be a sense of frustration with our lack of answers and for repeated failures. For me personally, we chose to follow the path of the "Arrow" rather than to heart nebula and we came up empty handed, frustrated.

"My very ink turns straight to Stella's name"- We have not figured this out. Stellas name is Greek for Star, but how does it apply? Assuming what we are looking for is in this direction.

"And yet my words, as them my pen doth frame,
Avise themselves that they are vainly spent.
For though she pass all things, yet what is all
That unto me, who fare like him that both
Looks to the skies and in a ditch doth fall?"- We haven't deciphered this. Seems to be some inner questioning and personal doubts. Likely how you're feeling if you've been at this for a while.

"Oh let me prop my mind, yet in his growth,
And not in Nature, for best fruits unfit:
"Scholar," saith Love, "bend hitherward your wit."- This one's important because if you went with the literal direction of the "arrow" than you will likely arrive at NGC 281, but arrows don't stay in a permanent line, they fall and the flight path bends, as should your wit. Heart and Soul Nebula are not in perfect line with the "arrow" but they are close and in the same general direction.
If you've ended up in the Heart Nebula you may want to take a break and turn in some data at the Farsight Expedition Base in Heart Sector IR-V b2-0.
Pay sharp attention to the Listening Post in the system and go read about the Memorial to Fluk.

The next Sonnet, #20, is a clear description of being ambushed. We assume that whatever it is we are to find is likely going to try to stop us when it's discovered. So lets get back to the DW toast.

The last lines of the Toast go like this.
"The Parents grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts."- If you've scanned the listening post you will have read about what appears to be the grief of the death of a family dog, Fluk.
At this point our team is assuming that the story of Fluk the family dog is "The Parents Grief" and a sign like the Cupids Arrow beacon, letting us know that we are on the right track.
We have not deciphered "the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts." as this point but are hopeful that an answer will come up.

An interesting factor in the story is in regards to several abandoned settlements that have stated their course took them through the Heart and Soul. Those settlements all experienced equipment failure.
FORMIDINE RIFT DELTA MISSION 2/6
Expedition Log: 12/09/3270

“It’s pretty out here. We’ve seen a gorgeous double nebula called the Heart and Soul. You should see it, lots of bright blue stars nearby, wish we could divert to have a closer look, but our mission is beyond apparently. Really brings back how big the galaxy is. Makes you feel real small and insignificant.”

And that's where we're at...
o7

Edited AfterThought-[Come To think Of It. Fluk closely resembles the word Fluke, meaning luck or random chance. This could be for good reason. Maybe the message is saying, "Next clue's in here and it's random chance you'll find it. Good Luck"]

This was an extremely interesting read, I personally think you’re onto something.
 
Went to Star of India(thanks CMDRGURU951) to check the blobs in the system map.

They look similar, but appear in a different position on the map. The two objects are a bit further apart and are located up and left. Alpha Cygni has the blobs in the far bottom right corner.

https://i.postimg.cc/SKff9rQK/SOIx1.png


I also found this picture of the galaxy, Cygnus A.

3C405.jpg

Its a Quasar, suspected of having twin supermassive black hole at it's center.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_A
 
I've seen people make the suggestion that FDev wouldn't use some obscure book from the 1580's, but to level the playing field, the answer may lie in a tool the majority of us use, wikipedia and the "Translate to_______" Option. Astrophel and Stella has a wiki-page on the book which lists 4 of the 108 sonnets. This condensed version may be intended. Astrophel produces 1 result in wikipedia.

EDIT: [This is the full book, hopefully translatable to your appropriate languages.]
 
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I agree, FDev don't want to make is super obvious, considering the uncanny nature of some of the lines in the sonnets, and how quite frankly they link so well to the toast, and the game, I think it's a safe assumption to conclude that by hiding aspects in this book, especially when Wikipedia has information on would as you say level the playing field.
 
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Ok, scanned a system, probed a planet where there were biological signals, went to surface & found two sites of bark mounds, tried to use composition scanner but fired heat sinks instead (think I need to sort my firegroups!) , carried on with my journey, checked codex & I hadn’t found the biologicals.
How do I confirm a sighting? Do I have to get out in the srv to scan them??
 
Ok, scanned a system, probed a planet where there were biological signals, went to surface & found two sites of bark mounds, tried to use composition scanner but fired heat sinks instead (think I need to sort my firegroups!) , carried on with my journey, checked codex & I hadn’t found the biologicals.
How do I confirm a sighting? Do I have to get out in the srv to scan them??
It’s via the Composition Scanner...
 
Yep, and can be done from ship or srv, but you need to be in analysis mode in either case. SRV is easier in larger ships or higher G planets.

This is what’s puzzling me. Couldn’t get the AspX composition scanner to detect anything, even though I was right on top of the darn thing, and surrounded by other mounds. Fairly sure I was in analysis mode.

will have another go!
 
This is what’s puzzling me. Couldn’t get the AspX composition scanner to detect anything, even though I was right on top of the darn thing, and surrounded by other mounds. Fairly sure I was in analysis mode.

will have another go!
I’m probably pointing out the blatantly obvious here, but just in case... you need to have an example of what you’re scanning lined up in the targeting reticule, and you need to keep it lined up in the reticule while you hold down the button until the scan completes. (With apologies if I’m just telling you stuff you already know fine well!)
 
And also, you don't get anything to select. Your composition scanner gauge just goes from the red "nothing found" status to a blank blue status, then you can use it.
 
I’m probably pointing out the blatantly obvious here, but just in case... you need to have an example of what you’re scanning lined up in the targeting reticule, and you need to keep it lined up in the reticule while you hold down the button until the scan completes. (With apologies if I’m just telling you stuff you already know fine well!)

LOL
yes, it is blatantly obvious but you’ve brightened up a cold, dark, wet, dreary morning! :D

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and I think you mean reticle; I believe a reticule is a small lady’s handbag :rolleyes:
though if you wish to align your targets with a small lady’s handbag ... I’m broadminded :)
 
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