Alternatively, maybe they did think for longer than 10 seconds and realized that that would be problematic to say the least if you want non-Horizons to play with Horizons cmdrs in the same instance. Besides, it is completely absurd to pretend you need engineering to play the game versus NPCs. Never mind that people had three years or so to save up the whopping $6 they charge for Horizons. https://store.steampowered.com/app/441340/Elite_Dangerous_Horizons_Season_Pass/
Rather than be grateful you get so much for six bucks, people complain they should get it for free? Get out of here man...
Yes it's problematic - so WHY is the base game without Horizons still for sale AT ALL? TWO years after the amalgamation.
This is the point being made here - price is irrelevant - if $6 is irrelevant to you, can I have $6 please? (and from the rest of you who say the cost is so small as to be irrelevant - I'll donate the proceeds to Macmillan, after buying the OP Horizons - it'll be interesting to see how many put thier money where thier rhetoric is - my bet is none of you "go buy it's" will.
No, you don't NEED engineering to play the game - but you're doing so at a great disadvantage because ENGINEERED NPC's still exist, WILL still spawn in your instance and WILL still try to kill you, even though you don't own Horizons.
Honestly yeah OP is right if a bit hyperbolic. For any new customer it's gonna feel kinda obnoxious to buy a new game and learn that you're missing half of it and basically need to buy it again or pay even more than you did for the so-called "base" game. It doesn't really matter what price each of the components sells for, it's the inherent automatic disappointment and sense of feeling a little cheated that you're going to experience. Elite is not like other games where you can buy the initial product and then decide later that you want "more." Horizons isn't just "more" it's mechanically and functionally a different game altogether. Probably better to not offer a purchase option which all but guarantees that a subset of your new customers' first impression of the game is going to be disappointment and frustration.
If it wasn't for the early backers there would be no game. What about Planet Coaster or Jurassic park . Looked at those prices.
The point being don't single out ED or Frontier. I have a mate who made thousand trading the share price on the way up. There are fund mangers who bought share for portfolio probably never played it maybe they should read these forums.
Comparatively unplayable? Yes, compared to Horizons owners, base game owners cannot play Horizons content. It's because they didn't pay for Horizons. Locked out of Thargoid combat? Yeah, because they didn't pay for Horizons, Thargoids came in 2.4 The Return, which was the last part of Horizons.
We were all just given a year's worth of content for free, now you demanding more? In caps? If you think Fdev do good work, and want access to the Horizons gameplay, then pay Fdev for their work. A cash grab is selling a low/no value product under the pretense it is a high value product. Fdev do no such thing. In fact, they even lowered the prices of all their cosmetics recently. I'm no great fan of capitalism, but Fdev are fair and decent business people.
Yes I know just bought horizons for someone ^_^ and yes I get that "OH THEY DONT LIKE IT SHOVE IT" mentality that I hear all the time from people on this forum but I admit its odd when I have to explain to people that are used to what DLC's are that really when you buy the base game you only get like 25% of it and you really need horizons to enjoy it.. Kinda why I just gift it to them..
Yes but do you know how many new CMDRS get frustrated when they quickly realized that they bought a game then they have to buy another DLC just to get the full game. not saying to give it away saying just stop offering "BASE" Game.. its just silly. just sell it as one package deal now. TBH Horizons is what elite should be.
I posted a thread on this at least a year ago and got some scorn for it. Some people just do not appreciate the emphasis that the Base Game being displayed as "FULL GAME" on a store is ridiculous now.
And Fdev are being silly still selling it whilst putting them in the same Univers as Horizons players. Way to increase potential rage quits, especially when the game takes some getting used to by some players in the beginning who try to find their bearings.
OK that explains a lot. When I was seven my parent were conned into buy Atari ET at £40.
Im still trying to get my head around your argument. Growing up I was taught to save up for stuff from pocket money doing chores/ Birthdays etc. As an adult there are plenty of stuff I simply cant afford. So either I need to wait sand save up. Find a way to earn more money or do without.
There always seems to be money for s and alcohol.
I could go further with specific adult argument but will probably violate the terms of this form. For the record I paid £150 before release + all the time spent .
Its seems snowflakes have forgotten stuff cost money to make which has to recouped.
Also the day I meet a woman who doesn't expect £££s to be spent on them Ill might have to listen to any other arguments
so that's 6 expansions at around £35 each or £210.
Do they charge £210? Nope, just £25, the expansions you get for free because you can't play the base game alone anymore (ignoring the vanilla server) as it's impossible to seperate the base game from the rest of the expansions.
That's just how it is - and how it's been for the 18 years of MMO's
As the recent changes made Horizons content inseparable from the base game as far as NPC's and the BGS / missions board are concerned - it's time to accept the base game is no longer a viable standalone and merge it - for all those who bought horizons at full price - they got a two year headstart and have lost nothing, for those who bought it recently - they only paid an extra few bucks (which is nothing, right? coz that's what you keep saying to the OP).
If FDev gave all the non Horizon owners who've logged into the game in the last 30 days access to Horizons today I'd bet there's less than a thousand accounts - maybe even as little as a few hundred - FDev have made the money it's time to move on.
No, this is still part of the Horizons DLC, effectively, even if they called it "Season Three". Even then, the game still has much to improve upon if it wants to justified it's paid for content, which included Horizons, after charging early adopters full price for the base game, then the DLC at full price, alongside every cosmetic being paid for pretty much, after taking kickstarter backer money too.
So for me, this "FREE" argument don't sit well when they have killed the player base enormously and released broken updates without an ounce of consideration knowing fine they're releasing broken updates - it would take playing through the release for a couple of hours to detect the broken aspects.
Also, note, the entirety of Beyond: Chapter Four content is not accessible to base game players. You must own Horizons for some of the features. So again, how is that free?
It's the apologist's "FREE" argument here that gets me, to be fair. Especially with how updates have been treated by FDev after all the hype prior to their releases. These apologists excuse them much too easily, which is my issue.
And that's rather sexist! I've never asked nor expected money spent on me, not even when I lost my job and home about 12 years ago. If you've only ever met women who did expect it, then that's more on you for hanging with the wrong company. I mean sure it's nice if people spend on one, but very few people actually expect it.
So for me, this "FREE" rubbish don't sit well when they have killed the player base enormously and released broken updates without an ounce of consideration knowing fine they're releasing broken updates - it would take playing through the release for a couple of hours to detect the broken aspects.
Now this is a fair point. The recent update was a mess. This is where most companies say "Ok, we dropped the ball here. Here's a little something to say sorry". Even a token gesture would be nice. Hence my earlier cynicism.
I assume OP already own Horizons so is arguing on behalf of others.
For me Horizons is currently so cheap it does not matter (£5), the base game serves as a decent "taster" and if you like it just buy the DLC. (you cheap !)
I can see somewhere down the line that Horizons will be rolled into the base game, it is possible the current pricing is signalling that, I suspect Horizons going "free" might be a bit of a hot potato where some recent purchasers feel a bit miffed if they'd paid full price.
I think a decent move would be to permanently reduce Horizons to say £9-10.
I assume OP already own Horizons so is arguing on behalf of others.
For me Horizons is currently so cheap it does not matter (£5), the base game serves as a decent "taster" and if you like it just buy the DLC. (you cheap !)
I can see somewhere down the line that Horizons will be rolled into the base game, it is possible the current pricing is signalling that, I suspect Horizons going "free" might be a bit of a hot potato where some recent purchasers feel a bit miffed if they'd paid full price.
I think a decent move would be to permanently reduce Horizons to say £9-10.
The principle of the matter is that FDev by design are messing up their own game. This wouldn't be an issue if the Base Game and Horizons had heir own servers.
At this point, I'm having a hard time understanding how someone could play this game for any length of time, and not purchase Horizons. I have even less understanding for anyone who had the base game, and has played since then, but never upgraded to Horizons.
That just seems silly, and you say that you have purchased Horizons for *so many* others?
I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with your position because Horizons has years under its belt, and has been on sale a number of times - they need to pony up if they don't want to be left behind.
More paid content is coming in 2019, which will undoubtedly put them further behind than they already are.
The principle of the matter is that FDev by design are messing up their own game. This wouldn't be an issue if the Base Game and Horizons had heir own servers.
No, this is still part of the Horizons DLC, effectively, even if they called it "Season Three". Even then, the game still has much to improve upon if it wants to justified it's paid for content, which included Horizons, after charging early adopters full price for the base game, then the DLC at full price, alongside every cosmetic being paid for pretty much, after taking kickstarter backer money too.
So for me, this "FREE" argument don't sit well when they have killed the player base enormously and released broken updates without an ounce of consideration knowing fine they're releasing broken updates - it would take playing through the release for a couple of hours to detect the broken aspects.
Also, note, the entirety of Beyond: Chapter Four content is not accessible to base game players. You must own Horizons for some of the features. So again, how is that free?
It's the apologist's "FREE" argument here that gets me, to be fair. Especially with how updates have been treated by FDev after all the hype prior to their releases. These apologists excuse them much too easily, which is my issue.
Just a thought, probably wrong, but may occasion someone more knowledgeable to chime in after being reminded.
The game is on consoles as well, not just PC. Is it not the case that getting a program approved for console is a tricky affair? How much of a role does this play?
So, how much of the non-amalgamation stems from wanting to keep one set of core pseudocode for ALL ports of base and ALL ports of Horizons rather than one integrated set for PC and non-integrated sets for the consoles?
I could be way off base, as I said, it's just a thought.
Give it a rest would you Ian? You're not even being paid. #towingthecompanyline
(No that's not moderator hassle - you've posted in the thread so your mod hat is off and fair game) #playbyyourownrules
Elite Dangerous would have raised NO Venture Capital (VC) of any kind if the KS had bombed, not even a thin dime; because if the gaming community have no faith in a developer or idea, no sane non gamer investor would. #whichcamefirst #inconvenienttruth
No KS, no game. Full stop. End of the line. #investorssayno
Because if FDev could raise enough VC - why did the KS happen at all? #goodquestion
Beyond wasn't an unpaid DLC expansion at all. #nothingisfree
Beyond exists because FDev recognised they had no choice but to FIX (lol - overstatement) the placeholder mining / placeholder C&P / placeholder exploration / borked engineering, and couldn't fold a third years development it into the "Horizons" package which was already one year overdue, without major PR fallout - so they thunk up "Beyond" - "hey guys we are giving you this next expansion for "free" coz we are super cool and nice and totes not trying to cover up that we are 12 months overdue already and we crapped the bed with placeholders everywhere instead of content at launch three years ago."
FDev even said as much. #getyourfactsright
They also accepted they had little option but to continue to roll out Thargoid content or otherwise leave a massive ONE YEAR gap in it's development, because it was already being rolled out slower than a crawling snail. #nochoice
You must think most of us are asleep at the wheel here mate, and are too dumb to remember what was said and what happened a year ago. #disrespectingtheforummembers
It takes a special breed to enjoy a game but refuse expansions. I skip expansions for games I'm not that into but after playing base Elite one evening I got Horizons the very next day.
Absolutely agree they should sell it bundled. But at this point I have no sympathy for players being "left out" for not getting a often discounted expansion that enriches the whole experience so much.
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