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High End materials gathering is quite simply worse than before...please acknowledge...
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And you really think this is a good situation for a game to be in? FDev added a whole crafting process, which is optional for most parts of the game. Is is like Need For Speed Underground added the whole car tuning process, but enabled the player to beat the game in a stock Peugeot 106.
Maybe this thread isn't for you then. We are looking to get to the root cause. We are aware of workarounds.
That doesn't change the fact that the current implementation seems to be flawed technically and arguably game mechanic wise.
Don't you recognize that said balance is skewed? There is a different rarity to G5 mats currently in ED. By the way, finding (or rather have them spawned) G5 mats isn't particularly hard, it is just time consuming, if you know where to look for.
Yep, works absolutely fine for me. I'm not into racing games.
I'll post wherever I want thanks. Its not a workaround mat traders are working as intended, the system was never designed to be ground at for instant results. You can take any mechanic in any game and make it boring if you work hard enough at repetitively performing the same action until you wear all the fun off it. Or not that's the beauty of player choice, some people like grinding check out Ordinats post he seems happy so more power to his elbow.
Fine then.
So they where designed especially for the discussed reason?
There is almost no alternatives to getting mats from HGEs.
I'm swamped with high-end mats. No matter what I do, the games throws g5 at me. Do some conbat? G5 stuff! Exporing? Have the rarest mats thrown at you! Do a mission? BAM G5!.
HGE are something I pick up when I find them, I dont grind them or anything. The traders,may be 'unfair' but with the rate ED throws stuff at me I always have whatever I need so its no practical issue to me.
I guess it just really depends on playstyle...
HGE are something I pick up when I find them, I dont grind them or anything. The traders,may be 'unfair' but with the rate ED throws stuff at me I always have whatever I need so its no practical issue to me.
I guess it just really depends on playstyle...
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Mat traders were designed specifically as an alternative.
That's the spirit.
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I rather think the norm is that the average player doesn't "swim" at all in grade 5 mats and instead struggles to scrape together the bare minimum needed to do the upgrading.
Honestly, how? Every bio/geo location is 100% guaranteed to spawn the highest grade. They are EVERYWHERE. When I kill elite condas and such, they ALWAYS drop high end stuff. I always have missions offering high end stuff available.
Am I super awesome special or something?
The evil answer is: no, you're just not getting the point.
I mean, everything you say is true. I also get plenty of materials when i go RES hunting, doing assassination mission and the likes. It's not always what i want, but i get plenty. I also find enough HGEs all over the place. While i refuse to use the known currently existing exploits (relog, leave and enter again, etc. ), i still get lots of stuff there, even if i just go for the HGEs which cross my way.
All of that is known. It doesn't change the observation made in the OP :apparently HGEs currently don't give materials according to the state they have. The actual logic (or what goes wrong) is not understood yet. Is it only a display bug for the HGE? Is the spawn mechanic flawed? Are the connections between HGEs and materials not the way they formerly where? But if that's true, why do the infos in the game still point out these connections?
Something is wrong. It doesn't kill the game, but something is broken here. But apparently for some people it's much more important to state that everything is fine, than to look at the details. I am sorry if this seems rude, but i am getting tired of this.
This thread could've been something useful, where the community could have collected data. Even if we by ourselves could not have located the root cause, it could've been valuable data for the developers. Instead, it just once again, degraded to a "but it does not affect me, so i don't care and everybody who cares is a -insert bad word here-" thread.
Perhaps this example makes it more obvious:
A: Our car is making bad noises, i think something is broken.
B: I can take the bus to the city, it's all fine.
If the whole topic was to get to the city, great. But it doesn't get the car fixed. And this thread really feels like that to me. Unfortunately it's also not worth creating another thread. The very same people, who went all over this thread with "it does not affect me, so there is no problem" would just do the same in the next thread.
I can't kill elite condas with my peashooters in reasonable time anymore.
So I tried a few mat gathering runs in different systems experiencing different states.
I set out with the aim of finding Pharma Isolators. I went to an high population system (agriculture) with the controlling faction experiencing an outbreak. I did find an HGE in my first scan but it didn't belong to the outbreak faction, it was offering Proto Heat radiators which were delicious none the less.
I came back later in the session to find another HGE in the same system, again the USS was not from the outbreak faction and once again it was proto heat radiators.
So you really need to find a USS belonging to the faction experiencing the outbreak / war / boom whatever to get the mats you are looking for.
Yes filling up on what is on offer and exchanging is a work around but it's a very long work around. So in conclusion I think this does need to be looked at. I'm not entirely sure why a USS is now owned by a faction or why that is necessary but it adds a further level of RNG to the existing RNG.
I was however finding HGE with a good level of consistency, in every high pop system I visited I found at least one HGE. This is only one session so it's far from conclusive.
I do have a couple of questions....found a USS I've not seen before Ceremonial Comms - didn't drop into one as I was time limited. Are these worth visiting.
Has anyone found a use for a convoy dispersal pattern USS. I've dropped in at a few and really can't see the point ,watching some ships fly slowly in a straight line for a few mins until they jump out. Scanning the ships has never given me one drop of scan data and waiting for the jump out seems a really inefficient way to get wake scan data....so what is the point of them?
I set out with the aim of finding Pharma Isolators. I went to an high population system (agriculture) with the controlling faction experiencing an outbreak. I did find an HGE in my first scan but it didn't belong to the outbreak faction, it was offering Proto Heat radiators which were delicious none the less.
I came back later in the session to find another HGE in the same system, again the USS was not from the outbreak faction and once again it was proto heat radiators.
So you really need to find a USS belonging to the faction experiencing the outbreak / war / boom whatever to get the mats you are looking for.
Yes filling up on what is on offer and exchanging is a work around but it's a very long work around. So in conclusion I think this does need to be looked at. I'm not entirely sure why a USS is now owned by a faction or why that is necessary but it adds a further level of RNG to the existing RNG.
I was however finding HGE with a good level of consistency, in every high pop system I visited I found at least one HGE. This is only one session so it's far from conclusive.
I do have a couple of questions....found a USS I've not seen before Ceremonial Comms - didn't drop into one as I was time limited. Are these worth visiting.
Has anyone found a use for a convoy dispersal pattern USS. I've dropped in at a few and really can't see the point ,watching some ships fly slowly in a straight line for a few mins until they jump out. Scanning the ships has never given me one drop of scan data and waiting for the jump out seems a really inefficient way to get wake scan data....so what is the point of them?
Well, there’s one idea -
Step 1. Reduce spawning rate and consistency of mats considerably. Way less than now.
Step 2. Start sellin the “easter pack” - 40 of each material for 4.99
Say whatever about being “non-grinders” deep in your soul - it is work, finding them, you know. Labor-hours. Some grown up people (surprise) just don’t have extra labor-hours. So.. [money]
Step 1. Reduce spawning rate and consistency of mats considerably. Way less than now.
Step 2. Start sellin the “easter pack” - 40 of each material for 4.99
Say whatever about being “non-grinders” deep in your soul - it is work, finding them, you know. Labor-hours. Some grown up people (surprise) just don’t have extra labor-hours. So.. [money]
If the whole topic was to get to the city, great. But it doesn't get the car fixed. And this thread really feels like that to me. Unfortunately it's also not worth creating another thread. The very same people, who went all over this thread with "it does not affect me, so there is no problem" would just do the same in the next thread.
Good point: I think a thread framed as 'investigating HGE drops in 3.3' would be the less triggering as there are multiple ways to skin this cat, and the alternatives do work.
The OP's point was really asking FDev 'Bug or intended' - which is a good question - little point in working out what is happening only to have FDev say 'oh, didn't expect that, should be fine now'
Hmm, yes. You're right on that, the start could've been smoother. But unfortunately i am by now convinced that even if you'd make a thread "data gathering to figure out if this is a bug or not", the same people would come in to state that it does not affect them any anybody else is stupid.
On the question of multiple threads: I doubt the Community Managers have time to read every post on this forum but I'm sure they do look at every thread title. So how exactly do we communicate to them that there's an issue that's troubling a large percentage of the player base?
Long threads are one way. Multiple threads are another. Multiple long threads for maximum impact.
Bothered by the current HGE situation? Make more posts! Start more threads!
It's the squeaky wheel that gets the Pharmaceutical Isolators.
Long threads are one way. Multiple threads are another. Multiple long threads for maximum impact.
Bothered by the current HGE situation? Make more posts! Start more threads!
It's the squeaky wheel that gets the Pharmaceutical Isolators.
Pay2win in ED ? Here you are opening a whole new Pandora's box, one that would really become ugly very fast. ED doesn't have any of that, and I sure hope that stays that way (And yes, I know you can't technically win ED).
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