If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.

[Ian Skippy]

The same can be said about the people who openly like the FSS. They're always the same people, and quite frankly they don't seem to be more than the ones who dislike it. So the point is moot.

Check reddit. There are only a few people who bother responding to the few bitter complainers. There are tons of people happily discussing the game, including the near-universally praised new explo tools.

 

[Stigbob]

Bring back beige !.

 

[Burke]

Check reddit. There are only a few people who bother responding to the few bitter complainers. There are tons of people happily discussing the game, including the near-universally praised new explo tools.

I heard they tolerate no dissent over there.

 

[Leper Messiah]

The same can be said about the people who openly like the FSS. They're always the same people, and quite frankly they don't seem to be more than the ones who dislike it. So the point is moot.

Indeed, I'd like to add I have seen many different names over the course of the various argum...I mean discussions on the subject who don't like the FSS, it's only the forum regulars who post regularly. It's not a sign that the FSS is universally beloved!

I would say the reading comprehension of the anti ADS peeps is severely lacking!! which doesn't help!

 

[askavir]

Check reddit. There are only a few people who bother responding to the few bitter complainers. There are tons of people happily discussing the game, including the near-universally praised new explo tools.

Try posting negative feedback on the ED Reddit and see what happens.

 

[Ian Skippy]

I heard they tolerate no decent over there.

Decency is actually encouraged. Accusing people of sympathising with ww2-era Germany is not though. People who repeat the same opinion over and over because they think their opinion shoukd be heard above all others also tend to be downvoted.

Its a pretty cool place.

 

[Stamford Rider]

I would say the reading comprehension of the anti ADS peeps is severely lacking!! which doesn't help!

You're right, insulting people's intelligence merely because they don't agree with you, doesn't help.

 

[Burke]

Decency is actually encouraged. Accusing people of sympathising with ww2-era Germany is not though. People who repeat the same opinion over and over because they think their opinion shoukd be heard above all others also tend to be downvoted.

Its a pretty cool place.

I think you keep bringing this up in an attempt to disrupt this thread tbh. I hope the mods are taking notice of the one or two people who are desperate to cause disruption. Please Ian, we just want to be allowed to blaze our own trail. Is it so much to ask?

I wish my spelling wasnt so bad i really do.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Indeed, I'd like to add I have seen many different names over the course of the various argum...I mean discussions on the subject who don't like the FSS, it's only the forum regulars who post regularly. It's not a sign that the FSS is universally beloved!

I would say the reading comprehension of the anti ADS peeps is severely lacking!! which doesn't help!

Hmm not so sure about that. I have only said that the people complaining are a tiny minority which is a fact. There are probably over 200,000 people playing the game (not concurrently though) and a tiny amount of them are complaining.

I have to assume that the people that are not complaining are happy with the mechanics, otherwise I would assume they would stop playing and be complaining on social media somewhere, they have not stopped playing and they are not complaining on social media apart from the tiny minority I have already mentioned.

 

[Leper Messiah]

I'd like to say that having a lot of people like something is not indicative of it's quality if there's a significant amount of people who dislike it. Follows is a list of "popular" things that are equally hated

1) Justin Bieber
2) Justin Bieber (ok so that's a joke)

3) Reality TV (TOWIE, J.Shore, G.Shore, Love Island....any more ofd this and I think I'm going to vomit!)
4) Justin Beiber


I mean come on JUSTIN BIEBER IS POPULAR, I rest my case......

 

[Ian Skippy]

Try posting negative feedback on the ED Reddit and see what happens.

That frequently happens and is totally cool. Spamming the same complaint is downvoted into oblivion, because spamming isnt appreciated mych. Go there and say"I am glad you all like it, I personally prefer the old style." And you'll be fine. Compkain and whine for hundreds of pages and experience what the majority thinks of it.

Or stay here and pretend you are anything other than a small minority.

 

[Ian Skippy]

I think you keep bringing this up in an attempt to disrupt this thread tbh. I hope the mods are taking notice of the one or two people who are desperate to cause disruption. Please Ian, we just want to be allowed to blaze our own trail. Is it so much to ask?

I wish my spelling wasnt so bad i really do.

I bring it up because it was shameful and you havent apologized yet. Thats all.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Yes, but with the old ADS system to get the extra info we now get via the FSS sat on our butts in the warm glow of the nearest sun, we had to SC up and close to the moon to get the DSS to kick in and scan it. THAT is the crux of my analogy. Many of the anti FSS people WANT to fly up to the moon Apollo stylee. I say let them, it makes no difference to me whatsoever and puts them at a disadvantage for money making which most of them care little about anyways......that's their choice....or it would have been if FD hadn't arbtrarily got rid of the ADS because they clearly thought it was all about the monies!

You know you can still do that with the FSS? Instead of scanning using the FSS interface, you can in fact fly close to system bodies and the FSS will passively scan them. The only difference being - which I know will be pointed out ( ) - is that you will be playing the parallax game in order to find the bodies. Actually, some folks have been wishing for that for a long time now (the parallax thing) so for some this should technically be a good thing for them.

I'm converted to the new system. I've gotten to the stage that just by looking at the FSS radio frequency thingy at the bottom I can judge whether it's worthwhile staying and further scanning or not - kind of like the old ADS/instant system map. Not as in-yer-face quick as the old ADS/system map for sure, but there is something about being able to judge using the FSS spectrum thingy which to me adds a bit more "skill & judgment call" to the game which I'm finding adds more enjoyment to exploration. YMMV,This is my subjective opinion only, yours may be different. E&OE etc.

 

[Leper Messiah]

You're right, insulting people's intelligence merely because they don't agree with you, doesn't help.

Sadly you prove my point as I have stated several times I like the FSS, I see no reason why the ADS should not be an option. If people actually READ what the pro ADS people wanted instead of knee jerk "OMFG THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THE FSS NOOOOOOO" reaction, then we wouldn't have these stupid circular arguments.

 

[Franc Kaos]

Just as well we don't want them to discard the FSS.
Just give us back targetable bodies in the Nav Panel and leave the FSS as is

I've kind'a just flipped thru a few posts since this but I'm curious, if Fdev were to say populate the planet positions with just wireframes (on honk) unless you (meaning everyone who wants the old way back) fly to the planets (or use FSS), would that make everybody happy? 'cause if so, someone should probably make the suggestion in the relevant forum.
I'm sure everybody who loves / likes the FSS probably wouldn't have a problem with that (I like the FSS but feels it needs a couple of QOL enhancements).

Bring back beige !.

Nooooooo! Now I'm finally exploring outside the bubble I'm loving the better planets (plus a new CPU / GPU really helps) - and night view is v. cool.

 

[Burke]

I'm converted to the new system. I've gotten to the stage that just by looking at the FSS radio frequency thingy at the bottom I can judge whether it's worthwhile staying and further scanning or not - kind of like the old ADS/instant system map. Not as in-yer-face quick as the old ADS/system map for sure, but there is something about being able to judge using the FSS spectrum thingy which to me adds a bit more "skill & judgment call" to the game which I'm finding adds more enjoyment to exploration. YMMV,This is my subjective opinion only, yours may be different. E&OE etc.

But you cant tell what colour stuff is can you? Or the orbits or all the rest people already spoke about.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I've kind'a just flipped thru a few posts since this but I'm curious, if Fdev were to say populate the planet positions with just wireframes (on honk) unless you (meaning everyone who wants the old way back) fly to the planets (or use FSS), would that make everybody happy? 'cause if so, someone should probably make the suggestion in the relevant forum.
I'm sure everybody who loves / likes the FSS probably wouldn't have a problem with that (I like the FSS but feels it needs a couple of QOL enhancements).

No it would not make everyone happy. If you can target them in the nav panel, what is the point in finding them in the FSS when your nav panel has already pinpointed them. While I can over look stuff for the sake of gameplay, I would like it to make some kind of sense. That would destroy the sense of discovery I get when I use the FSS as I know the nav computer has already discovered them.

 

[Leper Messiah]

You know you can still do that with the FSS? Instead of scanning using the FSS interface, you can in fact fly close to system bodies and the FSS will passively scan them. The only difference being - which I know will be pointed out ( ) - is that you will be playing the parallax game in order to find the bodies. Actually, some folks have been wishing for that for a long time now (the parallax thing) so for some this should technically be a good thing for them.

I'm converted to the new system. I've gotten to the stage that just by looking at the FSS radio frequency thingy at the bottom I can judge whether it's worthwhile staying and further scanning or not - kind of like the old ADS/instant system map. Not as in-yer-face quick as the old ADS/system map for sure, but there is something about being able to judge using the FSS spectrum thingy which to me adds a bit more "skill & judgment call" to the game which I'm finding adds more enjoyment to exploration. YMMV,This is my subjective opinion only, yours may be different. E&OE etc.

Good point, the parallaxers should be very happy right now! Especialy with the auto discovery being quite generous (is it 100 ls or so...I'm not sure, but I do know close stuff on system entry gets found automatically). But that's like saying to someone who doesn't want to fly "ok you can't have a car, so walk".

 

[Old Duck]

Yes, but ....

In case you've missed my many, many, MANY posts on this topic:

"I would personally accept the return of the ADS as the separate, optional, expensive, power-consuming module it once was."

My argument was with your analogy, not the ADS itself, especially since I personally love using the telescope to "scope" out a solar system in order to find which planets to fly my "Apollo" mission to! In other words, I neither need nor want the ADS in order to visit moons and planets. If you do, I don't have a problem with that. Just use a better analogy

 

[askavir]

I've kind'a just flipped thru a few posts since this but I'm curious, if Fdev were to say populate the planet positions with just wireframes (on honk) unless you (meaning everyone who wants the old way back) fly to the planets (or use FSS), would that make everybody happy? 'cause if so, someone should probably make the suggestion in the relevant forum.

Can't speak for anyone else, but yes I'd be fine if the ADS was brought back even if just in wireframe mode. Heck I would be fine even if it didn't pay any credits whatsoever.