If anything, I'd vote for the ADS to be a ship function, not an extra module. Seems to me like FD went half-way there. Pure explorer ships will still jump further, but that would open more options for exploration too.
Anti ADS people JUSTIFY your no compromise stance here.
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You've given us all a chance? Frontier has already done that by providing these forums. Get over yourself.
I'm not sure why you think anyone would need to justify anything to you. Again, get over yourself.
You are laying down rules for which responses are valid, and which are not? Just going to have to say that you need to drink a nice tall glass of Get Over Yourself.
Finally - get over yourself.
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And how does bringing the ADS back WITH the FSS stop all that? answer it does not. You can still enjoy all the FSS goodness if you want no-one wants the FSS removed.
ah all this Elite not designed by commitee stuff again, so FD have made NO decision with feedback from the players then? not one....nadda, zilch.......incorrect, so Ashenfox's victory meme a tad too early
pure nonsense, most are happy with a compromise about as far removed from selfish as you can get....I suggest you buy a dictionary!
agreed, but why are you against others populating the system map quicker, how does it negatively affect you enough to feel (or not feel, not sure why your here!) that the ADS should stay gone?
Well if justifying something on the basis of game design isn't justification to you, then this isn't my conversation. Hope you find what you are looking for.
I don't think you completely understand what selfish means.
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THIS THREAD WAS NEVER ABOUT WHAT THE COMPOMRISE WAS TO BE, IT WAS TO EXPLORE WHY PEOPLE SEEM TO BE AGAINST EVEN DISCUSSING A COMPROMISE AND HOW THEY JUSTIFY THAT STANCE.
It was also to give the anti ADS side the chance to discuss their views in a civil manner, sadly pretty much abject failure there.
IMO there arn't many reasons why a compromise should not be attempted, it's all up to FD. I HOPE they listen beyond the chest thumping of the Anti ADS side.
THIS THREAD WAS NEVER ABOUT WHAT THE COMPOMRISE WAS TO BE, IT WAS TO EXPLORE WHY PEOPLE SEEM TO BE AGAINST EVEN DISCUSSING A COMPROMISE AND HOW THEY JUSTIFY THAT STANCE.
It was also to give the anti ADS side the chance to discuss their views in a civil manner, sadly pretty much abject failure there.
IMO there arn't many reasons why a compromise should not be attempted, it's all up to FD. I HOPE they listen beyond the chest thumping of the Anti ADS side.
Per your own parameters for discussion, the want for the ADS to come back in inherently selfish.
"caveats:
1) Not liking the ADS is NOT a valid reason
2) Liking the new FSS mechanic is NOT a valid reason
3) Not liking others to have a choice is NOT a valid reason"
By extension, liking the ADS is not a valid reason to want it back, disliking the FSS is not a valid reason to want the ADS back. The only reason to want the ADS back is because one thinks the FSS is bad or they don't like it. You established at the outset of the discussion that this is an invalid motive. By your own argument it should not come back.
Because it took away some "emergent" gameplay that others built up around the old system, I just don't think that was a fair design choice by FD. And People have failed to justify it, purely because by removing the "selfish" option I removed 99% of the reasons!
It was also to give the anti ADS side the chance to discuss their views in a civil manner, sadly pretty much abject failure there.
IMO there arn't many reasons why a compromise should not be attempted, it's all up to FD. I HOPE they listen beyond the chest thumping of the Anti ADS side.
Let's remain unbiased - the anti-FSS side has been equally uncivil and demanding....
Sigh, you are correct only IF people like that were calling for the FSS to be removed...they are not. It's the opposite of selfish, why can't you see that?
edit also this thread was SPECIFICALLY for the Anti ADS side to get their point across, someone could do this thread from the "other" side if they wish, but seeing as not many want the FSS removed it would be an empty thread.
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Indeed, I've yet to see one though. Most wanting the ADS are wiling to compromise, it's the anti ADS who seem less willing to compromise, hence my thread for them to justify it, and they couldn't.
sheep are selfish?
I presume you mean "bad" at the end....well I'm sorry, if someone has to explain to you why a selfish reason is bad, then ....well...I just don't quite know what to say!
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Fdev looked at their telemetry and saw that for the last four years most 'explorers' were just traveling in SC in a straight line for 30-60 minutes at a shot after insta-revealing the entire contents of even the most massive systems in the galaxy with a 5-second button press while binge watching their favorite programs on Netflix and decided that wasn't the gameplay experience they wanted to deliver.
That's a good enough reason for me
That's a good enough reason for me
You might want a monocle for that big eye, LOL. The vitriol aimed at Frontier and the borderline vulgar descriptions of both the FSS and people who use it have been way more over-the-top than anything I've seen from the anti-ADS side.
Ironically this might be the one reason I could be opposed to the ADS return. One should never "bend the knee" to mob rule.
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Sigh, they only want it back because they think their style of play is so important that it should require a company's time and resources to bring back. The old "I don't like the new system, I want the old system back". Regardless of compromise, the motivation for ADS to come back is inherently selfish (eg self-serving, believing that FD needs to cater to their specific style).
sheep are selfish?
I presume you mean "bad" at the end....well I'm sorry, if someone has to explain to you why a selfish reason is bad, then ....well...I just don't quite know what to say!
Selflessness may be valued by society in real life, but when complete strangers discuss the direction a video game should take, I would hope everybody understands it is okay to be selfish - this isn't the Greater Good we are discussing here, but a vain piece of entertainment on the internet.
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I have not weighed in on this argument on any other thread so my points might sound like same old same old....sorry.
I am not anti-ADS, BUT I do like the new system much better:
1. I don't have to turn and stare at the star anymore for a DS
2. I get auto scans just being near objects
3. I can absolutely see at a glance what is in a system with the FSS......oh no, it's not pretty pictures I can stare at and wonder if I am seeing a water world or another stupid rocky world. ADS people must be lost in restaurants with menus without pictures, =). The FSS scanner is far more precise than a small image and listening to semi-distinguishable sounds from the old system.
4. I don't have to fly 400k ls to scan what normally amounted to a waste of time rock and it's rock moon.
5. It is faster....WAY faster than the old system and anyone who thinks otherwise is not doing it right.
I am honking, scooping, throttle to 0, quick glance at FSS......see stuff i want to scan or not and either explore or move on.....done. easy. fast. intuative. Moving on.
Side note, the FSS design has far more possibilities of adding features or enhancements than the super basic ADS.
I am not anti-ADS, BUT I do like the new system much better:
1. I don't have to turn and stare at the star anymore for a DS
2. I get auto scans just being near objects
3. I can absolutely see at a glance what is in a system with the FSS......oh no, it's not pretty pictures I can stare at and wonder if I am seeing a water world or another stupid rocky world. ADS people must be lost in restaurants with menus without pictures, =). The FSS scanner is far more precise than a small image and listening to semi-distinguishable sounds from the old system.
4. I don't have to fly 400k ls to scan what normally amounted to a waste of time rock and it's rock moon.
5. It is faster....WAY faster than the old system and anyone who thinks otherwise is not doing it right.
I am honking, scooping, throttle to 0, quick glance at FSS......see stuff i want to scan or not and either explore or move on.....done. easy. fast. intuative. Moving on.
Side note, the FSS design has far more possibilities of adding features or enhancements than the super basic ADS.
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