Modes Why does PvP in open even exist ???

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Many members abhor FORCED open play suggestions or locked content suggestions.

Most folks don't care if people in Open want to blow each other.
As long as the rest of us don't have to join in and we can carry on in PGs and Solo.

Forced to lose and stop their progress against you. Thats what its for. Winning and losing.

Removing a winning condition in any game is very bad. Especially if people are in wars over territory.

We all understand this. Elite Dangerous is not special in some sort of gaming wonderland.

The only reason these things haven't been pushed yet. Is because servers suck balls. They can upgrade those.

And basically were still waiting on that Karma system. People seem to forget about that.

So until they can do it right, by punishing combat logging, fixing the timers, servers, and legit gameplay.

Trust me its not because they dont want to do it.

What they are building in the game compared to what was said in the past are completely different animals.

2019 should be different. Winning conditions in this game has been a long standing issue.

As Steve Kirby said, "If you dont notice it. Then we're doing a good job".

They are aware of it.

All I am saying is dont be surprised when it happens.

If you take part in the game, and play all of it. You will see why these things are needed.

Its not because people just want to grief. Its griefing because people remove themselves from that winning condition. Usually the ones not involved are left in open. The wrong people are in open and the wrong people are in solo.

Its pretty dumb to be honest.

Surprised they have allowed it to even happen for this long. But until we get the proper upgrades it stays that way.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Removing a winning condition in any game is very bad.

To remove something, it had to be included in the first instance - and as PvP has always been an optional aspect of this game, there is no PvP winning condition to remove (as no-one requires to engage in PvP at all).

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

When you go to private and solo. You remove it yourself. Intentionally.

It already exists in open.

 

[Robert Maynard]

When you go to private and solo. You remove it yourself. Intentionally.

It already exists in open.

All players have that option.

Which Open? PC, XB1 or PS4? Not that it really matters - as there's no requirement on any player to engage with other players in the latter's preferred play-style.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

All players have that option.

Which Open? PC, XB1 or PS4? Not that it really matters - as there's no requirement on any player to engage with other players in the latter's preferred play-style.

All of the Opens. And one day the same open for everyone.

This less of the now. And more towards what its going to eventually be.

 

[Robert Maynard]

All of the Opens. And one day the same open for everyone.

One Open would be a great improvement - as it would permit all players who prefer that mode to meet each other.

It would not, I expect, change Frontier's stance on the three game modes if it were implemented though. They've been quite consistent and clear, in relation to the BGS anyway - yet to find out if Powerplay might change.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

One Open would be a great improvement - as it would permit all players who prefer that mode to meet each other.

It would not, I expect, change Frontier's stance on the three game modes if it were implemented though. They've been quite consistent and clear, in relation to the BGS anyway - yet to find out if Powerplay might change.

The BGS is where the real game is played IMO. Powerplay unless completely redone like the BGS is a shell of what it could be.

My hope is there.

They have a chance to finally do this right. But if they crap on player groups its going to be really sad.

I dont think they will though, Pretty obvious when Fleet Carriers and Powerplay were mentioned but put off.

Objectives to fight over in the Conflict Zones. Ect.

Hey you showed up in almost record time. You got me flagged for activity or something

 

[Robert Maynard]

The BGS is where the real game is played IMO.

Agreed - and Frontier have been quite clear that the BGS is for all players, regardless of platform or mode....

Powerplay unless completely redone like the BGS is a shell of what it could be.

My hope is there.

From Sandro's Flash Topics, that doesn't seem to be very likely.

They have a chance to finally do this right. But if they crap on player groups its going to be really sad.

I dont think they will though, Pretty obvious when Fleet Carriers and Powerplay were mentioned but put off.

Objectives to fight over in the Conflict Zones. Ect.

Whether it has been "done right", or not, remains a matter of opinion. Squadrons have been implemented, are pan-modal and even have a PvP / PvE tag - suitable for all players. There's no reason to expect, at this time, that Fleet Carriers will be limited to Open.

Hey you showed up in almost record time. You got me flagged for activity or something

You flatter yourself - subscribed threads pop up in the relevant feed - and I've been posting in this one from the beginning....

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I've been posting in this one from the beginning....

Dang cant get in trouble for impersonating a mod this time. Shucks.

To me i've got a feeling those carriers will be destructible. They could have made them persistent in all modes and delivered them.

ALOT of people in discords and even on reddit and these very forums have suggested its why its put off.

Pure speculation, but its not hard to put the pieces together. None of it is.

 

[Jockey79]

Winning and losing.

I won the day I bought the game in 2014.
You lost the day you bought the game (whenever that was).

In 2012 Frontier said Open Mode was a choice, in December 2018 Frontier are still saying Open Mode is a choice (on the updated website).
BGS, CGs, PP, Frontier has kept them all exactly where they want them - available to all.

You know what is "dumb", spending since March 2017 complaining about a design choice that was made long before you were here.
Especially when there is another space game being made the way you keep saying you want a space game to be made, https://robertsspaceindustries.com/
You could have spent all that wasted time telling them how to improve their game and enjoying it more.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I won the day I bought the game in 2014.
You lost the day you bought the game (whenever that was).

In 2012 Frontier said Open Mode was a choice, in December 2018 Frontier are still saying Open Mode is a choice (on the updated website).
BGS, CGs, PP, Frontier has kept them all exactly where they want them - available to all.

You know what is "dumb", spending since March 2017 complaining about a design choice that was made long before you were here.
Especially when there is another space game being made the way you keep saying you want a space game to be made, https://robertsspaceindustries.com/
You could have spent all that wasted time telling them how to improve their game and enjoying it more.

Whole lotta losing coming your way. Sorry dude.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Pure speculation, but its not hard to put the pieces together. None of it is.

Speculation's great - but until Frontier publish what they're going to do it remains that - speculation (that may or may not be in any way accurate).

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Many members abhor FORCED open play suggestions or locked content suggestions.

Most folks don't care if people in Open want to blow each other.
As long as the rest of us don't have to join in and we can carry on in PGs and Solo.

Thing is having PowerPlay in Solo completely defeats the idea of it.

Why have competition when we can't compete with guys who only think in spreadsheets and playing Solo because it removes risk?

It's like saying that the team who stays inside the changing room during a footy' match wins because the tactics on their whiteboard were "technically better".

That footy' team did nothing active. They deserve no trophy. The same is true of Solo players.

 

[Jockey79]

Thing is having PowerPlay in Solo completely defeats the idea of it.

Why have competition when we can't compete with guys who only think in spreadsheets and playing Solo because it removes risk?

It's like saying that the team who stays inside the changing room during a footy' match wins because the tactics on their whiteboard were "technically better".

That footy' team did nothing active. They deserve no trophy. The same is true of Solo players.

Ahh, the old "I cannot fight back" trope that's outright wrong

The entire game, Power Play included, you can attack and defend another faction / power via PvE.
Which means the multiplayer mode you are in makes no difference whatsoever, Power Play like PMFs and the BGS is nothing more than PvE token pushing.

You also have no idea how much impact Solo / PG players have, so saying "they deserve no trophy" is also wrong.
You have no idea how much they helped out your teams PvE token pushing. But chances are, they did more than you did with your guns as PvP does not contribute at all.
So they deserve the trophy and you deserve lessons on how the game works

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Ahh, the old "I cannot fight back" trope that's outright wrong

The entire game, Power Play included, you can attack and defend another faction / power via PvE.
Which means the multiplayer mode you are in makes no difference whatsoever, Power Play like PMFs and the BGS is nothing more than PvE token pushing.

You also have no idea how much impact Solo / PG players have, so saying "they deserve no trophy" is also wrong.
You have no idea how much they helped out your teams PvE token pushing. But chances are, they did more than you did with your guns as PvP does not contribute at all.
So they deserve the trophy and you deserve lessons on how the game works

PowerPlay is competitive, and part of competition is about intercepting opponents.

But you already know this.

Point is, right now, Solo players are indeed having huge impact on PowerPlay. I agree with you here: It's also precisely that, why they deserve no trophy. Because they're taking all the rewards for absolutely no risk. That's bad game design anywhere, be it sports, board games, or computer platforms.

 

[AP Birdman]

Ahh, the old "I cannot fight back" trope that's outright wrong

The entire game, Power Play included, you can attack and defend another faction / power via PvE.
Which means the multiplayer mode you are in makes no difference whatsoever, Power Play like PMFs and the BGS is nothing more than PvE token pushing.

You also have no idea how much impact Solo / PG players have, so saying "they deserve no trophy" is also wrong.
You have no idea how much they helped out your teams PvE token pushing. But chances are, they did more than you did with your guns as PvP does not contribute at all.
So they deserve the trophy and you deserve lessons on how the game works

Why do you have to call every opinion you don't agree with "outright wrong", "rubbish", "insane" ect.
You wonder why people lose their cool with you.
It is very difficult to stay calm when having arguments with you.

All your arguments are based on how the game is right now and these people are trying to express the way they would like to see it changed. Our opinions on how we would like to see the game improved are not "outright wrong", they're just opinions dude. You don't have to be so rude, you can simply just disagree.

I completely agree with Unikorn. Running cargo to "PvP" with someone is an extremely stupid game mechanic and it needs to be changed. PvP in elite is in decline because of stupid game mechanics like this.

 

[Zieman]

Why do you have to call every opinion you don't agree with "outright wrong", "rubbish", "insane" ect.
You wonder why people lose their cool with you.
It is very difficult to stay calm when having arguments with you. You are very rude sir.

All your arguments are based on how the game is right now and these people are trying to express the way they would like to see it changed. Our opinions on how we would like to see the game improved are not "outright wrong", they're just opinions dude. You don't have to be so rude, you can simply just disagree.

Lol, you whining about 'rude posts'! Oh, the irony!
Jockey's been very nice to you, despite you repeatedly being excessively rude to him.

 

[AP Birdman]

Lol, you whining about 'rude posts'! Oh, the irony!
Jockey's been very nice to you, despite you repeatedly being excessively rude to him.

Do you ever have anything constructive or positive to say? The only posts I've ever seen from you have been negative attempts to "call people out" which is why I mostly just ignore you.
We've been having a very positive discussion but Jockey keeps decided to drop these rude little comments in his replies and it's really obnoxious.

Your bias is gross and makes me want to vomit.

 

[Zieman]

Do you ever have anything constructive or positive to say? The only posts I've ever seen from you have been negative attempts to "call people out" which is why I mostly just ignore you.
We've been having a very positive discussion but Jockey keeps decided to drop these rude little comments in his replies and it's really obnoxious.

Your bias is gross and makes me want to vomit.

When I see the type of bias & projection, which you for example exhibit a lot, I sometimes call it out.
And this is one example where you started the 'calling people out', projecting your own rudeness to Jockey. Such hypocrisy.

 

[AP Birdman]

When I see the type of bias & projection, which you for example exhibit a lot, I sometimes call it out.
And this is one example where you started the 'calling people out', projecting your own rudeness to Jockey. Such hypocrisy.

ROFL

I'm not denying acting like a d bag when I'm provoked but we're having a respectful discussion here and jockey is responding with his normal backhanded complements and rude remarks.
Maybe you should go back to page 18 where most of this started and you can see for yourself.