Modes An old gripe, revisited... [apologies]

AP Birdman

Banned
I think a good way to solve this would be to make the bgs in systems controlled by player factions only effected in open. Systems like Sanda (DRTY Co), Miroman (IED) and Diaguandri (EXO) could only be changed in open. That way solo/pg players can still do bgs but at the same time players would be able to hide in solo/pg when attacking other player factions.

To me it just takes all the fun out of it when an enemy faction declares war on you but you never see them cause they're hiding in solo/pg. It's also extremely immersion breaking in my opinion.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
I think a good way to solve this would be to make the bgs in systems controlled by player factions only effected in open. Systems like Sanda (DRTY Co), Miroman (IED) and Diaguandri (EXO) could only be changed in open. That way solo/pg players can still do bgs but at the same time players would be able to hide in solo/pg when attacking other player factions.

To me it just takes all the fun out of it when an enemy faction declares war on you but you never see them cause they're hiding in solo/pg. It's also extremely immersion breaking in my opinion.

It might be good for players who prefer PvP - however there's no requirement to engage in PvP to affect the BGS (and Factions are part of the BGS) - as recently restated by Frontier (i.e. just the same as it has always been). Player inserted factions were implemented well over three years ago - and Frontier have shown no sign of putting them behind a PvP-gate.
 
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AP Birdman

Banned
It might be good for players who prefer PvP - however there's no requirement to engage in PvP to affect the BGS (and Factions are part of the BGS) - as recently restated by Frontier (i.e. just the same as it has always been). Player inserted factions were implemented well over three years ago - and Frontier have shown no sign of putting them behind a PvP-gate.

I know, I'm just saying it would be a good way to make pvpers happy while not really taking anything away from pve players.
 
I think a good way to solve this would be to make the bgs in systems controlled by player factions only effected in open. Systems like Sanda (DRTY Co), Miroman (IED) and Diaguandri (EXO) could only be changed in open. That way solo/pg players can still do bgs but at the same time players would be able to hide in solo/pg when attacking other player factions.

To me it just takes all the fun out of it when an enemy faction declares war on you but you never see them cause they're hiding in solo/pg. It's also extremely immersion breaking in my opinion.

Yes... I can picture it now...

"Mr. President, I'm afraid I have bad news..."

"What is it this time? It's bad enough the Imperial Party has been gaining in the polls lately."

"I'm afraid our 'allies', if I may use the term loosely, have gone rogue."

"What????"

"See for yourself."

The aid turns on the evening news, where an attractive anchorman is saying "Welcome back to our continuing coverage of the 'Emerald Dawn' massacre. For those of you just turning in, the President's personal terrorist squad has just attacked a convoy bringing refugee orphans to the 'Scraps of Hope orphanage and bunny rehab.' This was the third ship destroyed by these rogue agents of the current regime. The terrorist leader, one Commander AP IBirdman, had this to say:"

"Well, that ship was obviously up to no good, being in our territory like that..."

The President's jaw dropped, "Their territory? Who the frell do they think they are?"

"... so we naturally took action. We put a lot of effort putting the President into power..."

"They put me into power? They're frelling hired guns. We payed them good money to run missons for us, and this is how they repay us?"

"... and we naturally want to keep him there."

The aide turned off the holofac, as the President lowered his head into his hands, "This is going to drop our poll numbers down even further. Nobody likes the ongoing refugee crisis, it's playing merry havoc on security rating, which always makes the independent pilots we rely on nervous. But this is a PR disaster! Any chance this was a false flag operation?"

"No sir. Not only was Cmdr. AP IBirdman bragging about it on the news, but it's been confirmed by the Pilots' Federation. It's definitely legit. Speaking of independent pilots..."

"Now what?"

"Well, after the latest incident, the word has gone out that our system isn't safe anymore. System traffic has dropped by 90%."

"We rely on those ships to get us what we need!"

"Yes sir. Apparently, the only ships that have docked recently are our former allies and the allies of the Imperial Party. Which explains this..." The aide turned back on the holofac, showing another news clip.

"Luanne Mbali here, bringing you the word on the street. With me is Jeong Seong-Hun, local business owner. Mr. Jeong, how do you feel about the current turn of events?"

"Well, Miss Mbali, I was a lifelong Federalist, you know? Paid my taxes, kept my nose clean, and paid no attention to the 'propaganda' from those 'dirty Imperialist dogs' across the border, you know? The Feds kept law and order, so why wouldn't I? Now I'm not so sure. I mean, look at who they've hiring! I had a contract to deliver eighty units of crop harvesters over in the next system, and where were the Feds and their mercenaries when my usual transport pilot failed to show up? Well... apparently they were chasing off her ship with plasma accelerators that's where they were! So there I'm sitting with all these crop harvesters and no way to get them to my customer. The Feds are no help, and that's when I started paying attention to those Imperial Party commercials. And what do you know, when I contacted them, they got me the help I need. And bless them, they didn't even charge me half what the Feds normally would. Which is why I'm now supporting the Imperial Party. If the Feds need to hire murderous thugs to stay in power, maybe they shouldn't be in power in the first place!"

"Thank you, Mr. Jeong. Back to you, Jake!"

"Thank you Luanne... next up: an expose of the thriving black market that is operating under the nose of the President..."
 
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Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
I know, I'm just saying it would be a good way to make pvpers happy while not really taking anything away from pve players.

It's interesting that it is considered that potentially breaking the BGS, from the perspective of players in Solo and Private Groups, is considered as "not really taking anything away from pve players".

It would also introduce at least one wonderful exploit....
 
Affecting a faction from Solo or Group is fine with me.

Consider a competitive exam like you'd find in a job interview. You can improve your chances by revising hard before the test even though you're studying in Solo. Yes, you're affecting other candidates, but they can affect you back by studying harder or by having more talent.

Frontier have taken this real-world situation and coded it into the game. It's one of many reasons why Elite: Dangerous appealed. I appreciate it won't appeal to everyone, but no single game will satisfy everyone.

Cheers, Phos.

A good point.

PVP isn't merely about results of competence and competition, which Modes obviously are, PVP is about socialising/fighting. Hence the fuzz all about it.

Imagine Olympics fighting alone? All run together. So Modes are about hurt since they exclude unwanted threat.

Open on the contrary includes threats.
 
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Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
PVP isn't merely about results of competence and competition, which Modes obviously are, PVP is about socialising/fighting. Hence the fuzz all about it. Imagine Olympics fighting alone? All run together.

Not sure that track sports are a good example - as one could be disqualified for impeding another participant's progress.
 
PVP is about socialising/fighting.

Good job Frontier made something for just this;

[video=youtube_share;mpE8n-DZsdM]https://youtu.be/mpE8n-DZsdM[/video]

You can chat (socialise) and fight all you like, without any Solo or PG people getting in the way :D
 
Haha - its you again [big grin]

Alas, it ain't that simple

Yes, it's me pointing out the obvious yet again. ;)

And it really is this simple.

Things CQC does not have to worry about;

  • Solo Mode players
  • Private Group players
  • Cross platform players
  • "invisible" enemies
  • Untouchable people undermining them
  • Over engineered ships being too powerful on the oppositions team
  • Under engineered ships weakening your team


Everything PvP'ers complain about in the main game, is not an issue in CQC.
All Frontier need to do is add a real small ship league, medium league and a large ship league then there would be something for everyone.
 
Yes, it's me pointing out the obvious yet again. ;)

And it really is this simple.

Things CQC does not have to worry about;

  • Solo Mode players
  • Private Group players
  • Cross platform players
  • "invisible" enemies
  • Untouchable people undermining them
  • Over engineered ships being too powerful on the oppositions team
  • Under engineered ships weakening your team


Everything PvP'ers complain about in the main game, is not an issue in CQC.
All Frontier need to do is add a real small ship league, medium league and a large ship league then there would be something for everyone.



And jet Open, Jockey, Open is reciproke - to all the points you made above. Which is the cause of confusion for those excluding others in and out Open.

PvPer do not complain. Folks getting hurt, complain. Which is why we have Modes in the first place.






 
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I question, if we can have a PvP environment here working at all.

Only I think, if we all ignore our choices made.*

Which makes it (PvP) somewhat futile.




*modes
 
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PvPer do not complain.

This entire sub thread is full of PvP'ers (or "griefers" depending on your view point) complaining they want Power Play, CGs and the BGS as open only.
Despite the fact that is not how the game was designed, made or sold to them.

We've had years of complaints from PvPers for this very reason.
Quite a few in this thread.
 
This entire sub thread is full of PvP'ers (or "griefers" depending on your view point) complaining they want Power Play, CGs and the BGS as open only.
Despite the fact that is not how the game was designed, made or sold to them.

We've had years of complaints from PvPers for this very reason.
Quite a few in this thread.

Fair enough, this thread is indeed.
 

AP Birdman

Banned
I think the complaints are justified considering pvpers have nothing to do but shoot at each other for no reason. Everyone else has something except us. Just sayin...
 
I think the complaints are justified considering pvpers have nothing to do but shoot at each other for no reason. Everyone else has something except us. Just sayin...

You have Open. What more do you need?

Solo doesn't have the benefit of help from other players, no "Wings", etc. Players must simply fend for themselves.
Private Groups is restricted to a maximum limit, and there's no tools to explicitly customize rulesets.

You've got complete freedom to do whatever you wish... are you saying that's too much?

Perhaps Frontier really does need to have a look at that. Perhaps more limitations are needed for Open, after all.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
I think the complaints are justified considering pvpers have nothing to do but shoot at each other for no reason. Everyone else has something except us. Just sayin...

Are you suggesting that they don't shoot at players uninterested in PvP? The DG2 weekly report suggests otherwise....
 
I think the complaints are justified considering pvpers have nothing to do but shoot at each other for no reason. Everyone else has something except us. Just sayin...

Well, it's a game. Ultimately, there's no reason to do anything in it unless you want to, so that problem isn't restricted to PvP.

Every other type of play that needs more than one person (fighting Thargoids, BGS play, large expeditions, etc.) gets organised by the people who want to do it. Why do PvPers think their play should be organised for them and a "reason" for it should be made up by someone else?
 
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