PvP Need help - Fer-de-Lance build

Labladorite

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Bob Lighthouse said:
If you're not open to changes, I am confused why you're sharing it with us.
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Don't get me wrong, I am open to changes.
It's just that I have spent the last 4 hours jumping from system to system to modify the modules. A man does not have infinite patience. I want to settle on something.

-I'll look into the MC.
-I don't understand how you can expect me to add SCBs into this build. Do you not see the power problems that I'm already facing?
-Chaff? Dispersal? Come on. I have never once in my 800+ hour Elite Dangerous experience encountered a PvP player who used gimballed weapons.
-Target lock breaker is useless. All you need to do to counter it is press the "H" key on your keyboard.
 

Treptower Park

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Labladorite said:
Don't get me wrong, I am open to changes.
It's just that I have spent the last 4 hours jumping from system to system to modify the modules. A man does not have infinite patience. I want to settle on something.

-I'll look into the MC.
-I don't understand how you can expect me to add SCBs into this build. Do you not see the power problems that I'm already facing?
-Chaff? Dispersal? Come on. I have never once in my 800+ hour Elite Dangerous experience encountered a PvP player who used gimballed weapons.
-Target lock breaker is useless. All you need to do to counter it is press the "H" key on your keyboard.
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You´re gonna have soooo much fun gitting-gud at ED PvP :D
 
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Feros-da-Grundig

Feros-da-Grundig
Labladorite said:
-Chaff? Dispersal? Come on. I have never once in my 800+ hour Elite Dangerous experience encountered a PvP player who used gimballed weapons.
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I often run mixed gimbals/fixed builds precisely because of this assumption and have secured kills because of it.

5 OC gimballed MC FdL is a common build, and the only one I've encountered that easily kills my PvP phasing courier build.
 

Krash

Krash
FerosFerioGTR said:
I often run mixed gimbals/fixed builds precisely because of this assumption and have secured kills because of it.

5 OC gimballed MC FdL is a common build, and the only one I've encountered that easily kills my PvP phasing courier build.
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I never seem to find the guys without chaff or dispersal. I agree its a good idea to have a mix.
 

Krash

Krash
Labladorite said:
Is there anything wrong with making decisions based on experience?
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That's why its called the school of hard knocks. If you ever run across a CMDR like me or Feros out in the wild, you may reconsider the need to counter gimbals. They really are OP.
 

Bob Lighthouse

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Bob Lighthouse
Labladorite said:
Don't get me wrong, I am open to changes.
It's just that I have spent the last 4 hours jumping from system to system to modify the modules. A man does not have infinite patience. I want to settle on something.

-I'll look into the MC.
-I don't understand how you can expect me to add SCBs into this build. Do you not see the power problems that I'm already facing?
-Chaff? Dispersal? Come on. I have never once in my 800+ hour Elite Dangerous experience encountered a PvP player who used gimballed weapons.
-Target lock breaker is useless. All you need to do to counter it is press the "H" key on your keyboard.
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I expect it because I have 2 FDLs, one prismatic and one biweave.
They both run double SCBs, PAs, and rails.
That's a pretty standard build and has been so since before the current engineering system, which makes things MUCH easier.
You don't need the thermal spread with the armored pp.

I see gimbals, and your DPS is actually less than that of a standard PVE gimbal MC/pulse laser beginner build anyhow.
It's not like you're beating the top pilots with that build, so you don't want to hamstring yourself against the mediocre ones too, lol.

TLB has been nerfed but the overriding point remains.
 

Feros-da-Grundig

Feros-da-Grundig
Labladorite said:
Is there anything wrong with making decisions based on experience?
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By asking for advice you request us to share our experience. I omit chaff only on builds with at least one, preferably two dispersal weapons (fixed PA and/or a gimballed/turreted dispersal LR cannon). One such build is my phasing courier, which carries a cannon just for dispersal. It was eaten alive by a gimballed MC FdL, but otherwise fared quite well at the last PvP event I brought it to.

You're welcome to run without chaff/dispersal. Perhaps Krash will find you.

Regarding 800 hours, I'm probably the newest/least experienced actively posting PvPer in this forum and have nearly twice that. Some here probably have 10x that including the author of the guide I posted. Take our advice or leave it.
 
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Feros-da-Grundig

Feros-da-Grundig
Labladorite said:
But do they have the number of shield boosters that mine does?

If so, I would love to see those builds.
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You are not the first person to stack 6 shield boosters on an FdL. They are euphemistically referred to as "skill boosters" for this reason.

Having more HP just means a slower death if ones opponent can evade shots while inflicting damage. Gimbals are very good at this since they greatly increase time on target and allow greater evasion while still maintaining a firing solution. Against your build in particular - no SCBs, no chaff - gimballed MCs are more effective than rails. They will almost never miss and provide much better DpE.

You initial posts indicated misunderstanding of heat management and difficulty landing efficient PA shots. Everyone posting here already had these problems and provided useful advice about them - I suggest you take the follow-up suggestions with an open mind.
 
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Bob Lighthouse

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Bob Lighthouse
Labladorite said:
But do they have the number of shield boosters that mine does?

If so, I would love to see those builds.
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No of course not because I have chaff and a heat sink for the SCBs...

You'd be utterly shocked I'd wager, if you saw how LOW some shield values are for some of the top PVP FDL pilots.

They'd still eat you for breakfast.

I suggest you start by really studying Ryan's guide posted above.
You're trying to reinvent the wheel in a sense.

There's no sense ignoring all the knowledge and time put in by others.
 

Bob Lighthouse

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Bob Lighthouse
I say just start with what's in Ryan's guide, and then when you have some time in a standard build and know the "box" inside and out, then you'll be in a better position to think outside of it.


“I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it.”

― Terry Pratchett
 

Ebel

Ebel
I'm listening.

I like Ryan's build, but have just a couple of questions.

Ryan's suggested build has the PP running right at the edge of need (must shut down cargo scoop, no problem, in order to keep the lights all on). I also like my hammers rather than standard rails. Is an overcharged with DB a reasonable go to for a bit more relaxed priority tree?

Is there any sooth for LR beams w/TV in place of the plasma? Seems that this is a warm running ship.

Have been putting off an FDL build but guess now it's time to get around to it.

Thanks for any insight.
 

Bob Lighthouse

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Bob Lighthouse
Ebel said:
I'm listening.

I like Ryan's build, but have just a couple of questions.

Ryan's suggested build has the PP running right at the edge of need (must shut down cargo scoop, no problem, in order to keep the lights all on). I also like my hammers rather than standard rails. Is an overcharged with DB a reasonable go to for a bit more relaxed priority tree?

Is there any sooth for LR beams w/TV in place of the plasma? Seems that this is a warm running ship.

Have been putting off an FDL build but guess now it's time to get around to it.

Thanks for any insight.
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You will lose a lot of integrity and probably encounter heat issues with an OC pp.
TV beams would be a weak band-aid on top of that.

High time on target weapons like beams mean you cannot fly as evasively.
Burst damage generally rules the roost.
 
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Ebel

Ebel
Yeah, still running Coriolis. You're right. With careful Priority setup it's not too bad. Heat still looks daunting. I like the overall build though.

I'll bet it's not 9 deg's in Hawaii right now.

One more question

It would seem the Reactive Armor/therm with reflective gives a significantly better overall resistance and integrity (as expected) with a drop of only 7/10 mps. Is this a fair trade off?
 
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Bob Lighthouse

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Bob Lighthouse
Ebel said:
Yeah, still running Coriolis. You're right. With careful Priority setup it's not too bad. Heat still looks daunting. I like the overall build though.

I'll bet it's not 9 deg's in Hawaii right now.
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PP heat is factored with every module, so it's much more important to have a cool PP than cool weapons.

And no, it's not, but it's been the coldest winter in memory if that helps.
I'm wearing socks and flannels, lol...
:/
 
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