Hmm, yes, removal of CGs, for an upgrade , is clearly a sign the game is dead.
Mario is still popular.
Mario is still popular.
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Just a suggestion, but given how humans operate the mods might just be less well disposed towards you because you routinely call them biased and horrendous.
If they were being genuinely defensive they'd purge every serial whinger and ragequitter, they don't do that therefore they are fine with DOOM ! and "stop liking what I don't like".
Such a pity a few people quit playing when their favourite exploits are fixed.
Baby, toys, pram.
Clearly, they are not obligated to do so, but you equally can't expect 'things are coming' to draw much more than indifference.
And when the upgrade arrives I'll be suitably impressed (hopefully). Until that time ...
The bickering that goes on in any thread doesn't really make a difference. FD users are able to make their own decisions on the state of the game.
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Elite is my favourite game, in my favourite genre. So each time I read things like this I try to remember that it is just a game. My favourite game, but a game none the less. If it dies, it dies. I mean, space games won't go away and neither will Elite.
What this community - however vocal - has taught me, is that many people feel it is more than that. That FDev owe us all something. I'm not sure I agree on that. I've kickstarted games that haven't appeared, and this one did. And it's great. I also see things like Star Citizen, or System Shock (the latter of which saw a reboot last year after the game's development went South) and read the same promises and in the world we now live in I just take it all with a pinch of salt. It'll be nice if it happens, and if it doesn't, well it was a nice ride.
Perhaps some realignment of our expectations is needed these days. Perhaps developers shouldn't be too quick to show us the shiny.
What this community - however vocal - has taught me, is that many people feel it is more than that. That FDev owe us all something. I'm not sure I agree on that. I've kickstarted games that haven't appeared, and this one did. And it's great. I also see things like Star Citizen, or System Shock (the latter of which saw a reboot last year after the game's development went South) and read the same promises and in the world we now live in I just take it all with a pinch of salt. It'll be nice if it happens, and if it doesn't, well it was a nice ride.
Perhaps some realignment of our expectations is needed these days. Perhaps developers shouldn't be too quick to show us the shiny.
I agree, let the civil servants run the countryAs should apply to politicians - anyone who wants to become mod (why would you, anyway?!) should automatically be disqualified from doing so.
I'd be surprised if a mod didn't have a bias toward liking the game... That's why they were here in the first place wasn't it?
Maybe the perceived increase in locking down and moving/closing threads is partly due to an increase in posts breaching forum rules, itself a result of the recent update and announcements.
Mods do an underappreciated job for free and I have neither the time or inclination to do it, so fair play to 'em.
Mods rule! (sorry, couldn't help that one)
Game is anything but dead too. Buggy as he'll, yes, but alive and kicking. May the community keep it that way.
Maybe the perceived increase in locking down and moving/closing threads is partly due to an increase in posts breaching forum rules, itself a result of the recent update and announcements.
Mods do an underappreciated job for free and I have neither the time or inclination to do it, so fair play to 'em.
Mods rule! (sorry, couldn't help that one
)Game is anything but dead too. Buggy as he'll, yes, but alive and kicking. May the community keep it that way.
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Perhaps some realignment of our expectations is needed these days. Perhaps developers shouldn't be too quick to show us the shiny.
I thought that fdev not sharing the shiny was what people were upset about, what have we moved on to?
The game is not Doomed.
Now thats that out of the way:
The problem with there being a DOOMEDtm thread every 5 minutes is that when one pops up that actually has some (SOME) merit it gets dismissed.
I have to agree with some points the OP made. And I have thought in the past (and pretty recently) that the game does have a very "maintenance mode" feel to it at the moment.
And the complete removal of CGs although temporary (TM) is..just god damn stupid.
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Now thats that out of the way:
The problem with there being a DOOMEDtm thread every 5 minutes is that when one pops up that actually has some (SOME) merit it gets dismissed.
I have to agree with some points the OP made. And I have thought in the past (and pretty recently) that the game does have a very "maintenance mode" feel to it at the moment.
And the complete removal of CGs although temporary (TM) is..just god damn stupid.
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Elite is my favourite game, in my favourite genre. So each time I read things like this I try to remember that it is just a game. My favourite game, but a game none the less. If it dies, it dies. I mean, space games won't go away and neither will Elite.
What this community - however vocal - has taught me, is that many people feel it is more than that. That FDev owe us all something. I'm not sure I agree on that. I've kickstarted games that haven't appeared, and this one did. And it's great. I also see things like Star Citizen, or System Shock (the latter of which saw a reboot last year after the game's development went South) and read the same promises and in the world we now live in I just take it all with a pinch of salt. It'll be nice if it happens, and if it doesn't, well it was a nice ride.
Perhaps some realignment of our expectations is needed these days. Perhaps developers shouldn't be too quick to show us the shiny.
Well said.
It doesn't even matter too much if some people are not playing due to the lack of large updates for a while. Its only expected. Some people need/want constant updates to keep playing. I think most of us love new features in games. But there again, being of the older generation, i remember playing games for years that never got updates, or if they did, they were through expansion packs that came out a couple of years later and often cost as much as the base game did on release.
So, there is definitely an element of expectations, and probably demographics.
What really matters is FD's commitment to keeping the game running so we can keep playing. People complain about the P2P networking, but its potentially a plus for the long term future of the game as it means FD don't have to care about subscriptions (as that would lead to pandering to the LCD) or even how many are playing.
If they are going to take a long time for the next major update, well, its a shame, but the game remains the same. It doesn't magically become worse because of it. I'll keep playing while i'm not bored, and if i get bored, i take a break. What I don't do is post predictions of doom on the forums.
I think what we now have to do is wait and see just how good this update is. If we wait 2 years and its a bit rubbish, well, that will be sad. But even so, again, the game won't (or at least shouldn't) become worse because of it (barring of course changes that some people don't like - c.f. Recent exploration changes).
So, worst case scenario, keep playing when I want, keep enjoying the game, take breaks when i want/need (there ARE other games out there!!!! Shocking i know!), and then the mega update which turns out pants, so would be sad, but game is still the game, so keep playing as i want.
Best case scenario, same as above, except the mega patch is really awesome. Lots of players come back. Naturally FD will have some new bugs with new exploits in it, players who focus no credit gain will come back, exploit the hell out of the bugs, FD will fix the bugs, they will complain and rage quit again. Most other people will just be happy with the new content.
FD say they remain committed, and as long as that holds true, then that's all that really matters.
One day, they will switch off the servers, and if there is no offline patch, that will be the end of the game, and that is the only DOOOOM that really matters.
Players taking breaks or quitting? Meh, their business. ED is (for me), 90% a solo game anyway, even when in PGs/Open. The events i take part in are taken part in by those who enjoy the game and are not likely to rage quit over long waits for new content or exploits being fixed.
I don't think the game is doomed. The introduced exploration and mining mechanics work good for me.
However I do agree that 3.3 needs some urgent bug fixing specifically on consoles. I am on PS4 as well and the one bug annoying me most is the issue with the skybox. I mean they know about it, it is hard to not notice that bug...I think in fact a lot of problems were created with the new lighting system - while I like the fact that planets surfaces are now truly dark, it just created more problems to be solved.
I also believe that such "doomed"-threats are important. Otherwise FDev just think that everyone's happy :S
However I do agree that 3.3 needs some urgent bug fixing specifically on consoles. I am on PS4 as well and the one bug annoying me most is the issue with the skybox. I mean they know about it, it is hard to not notice that bug...I think in fact a lot of problems were created with the new lighting system - while I like the fact that planets surfaces are now truly dark, it just created more problems to be solved.
I also believe that such "doomed"-threats are important. Otherwise FDev just think that everyone's happy :S
The only "game is doomed" thread that doesn't need to be dismissed is the one when FD announces EoL for the game.
Nah, game is doomed threads are worthless.
Constructive negative feedback is what the devs need. Not predictions based off personal opinion.
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If a reason exists why CGs had to be removed before new content could be put in place I would love to hear it.
My constructive criticism for Frontier: Whatever idea you guys get, do the opposite.
Sorry OP but I disagree. I am on PS4 and like everyone else experienced the server errors post release and a few other bugs, but they did not stop me from playing, more of an annoyance, and they all got resolved pretty quickly.
I speak only for myself, but I am so sick to the teeth of all these negative forum posts that I feel like rage quitting the forum for awhile and just getting on with enjoying the game.
All these moan posts do is push the far more interesting posts onto page 2 where they can get missed by many cmdrs, so I am making a promise today for myself to never engage in them again.
I speak only for myself, but I am so sick to the teeth of all these negative forum posts that I feel like rage quitting the forum for awhile and just getting on with enjoying the game.
All these moan posts do is push the far more interesting posts onto page 2 where they can get missed by many cmdrs, so I am making a promise today for myself to never engage in them again.
While I am sure you are right, it is not like FDev incorporate any of the changes suggested through constructive feedback. EDIT: let alone a simple bugfix.
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As should apply to politicians - anyone who wants to become mod (why would you, anyway?!) should automatically be disqualified from doing so.
Over on the ED subreddit they sometimes solicit applications for people to become mods.
I don't recall any such solicitations from FD on their forums, and as far as i know, FD never appointed someone to modhood based on them asking to be one.
I'll have to be careful with my next words (NDA), but then general response to new mods in the chat when a new person was appointed was:
1) Blame everything on TJ
2) Comiserations on your appointment, everyone will hate you now.
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The game is not designed by forum vote.
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