Now I am beginning to understand, why you don't believe that you are sometimes being a (shall we say) harsh, in your phasing etc..
Powerplay Whatever happened to the Powerplay Open only Proposal (POOP) ?
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OK. I can see the points you are trying to make. I agree, to have to compete against an invisible opponent, is ridiculous. The Open v solo power play, has always been an issue and warranted, in my honest opinion. Just as is the, only human opponent option in CQC; has been an issue from day one.
However: What you don't seem to understand is: Whatever you believe the players of opposing factions are doing against you and your faction. Exactly the same, can be being done, by members of your own faction. Plus: There will always be other instances and other platforms, fighting with you and against you and these players will always be out of your reach and so impossible to deal with.
Someone, in a thread about power play going to open only; came up with the idea: That the ship rewards should be offered without the power play grind, to all modes of play. But the territory should be fought over, in open play only. This I can see as a working option and could be considered fair to all.
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Sorry for being harsh, I guess?
You see: you keep talking about your experience. I didn't claim that you in particular fly shieldless hauling ships or consider the mode you play in as a factor, and your single experience doesn't make a fact, it's your personal choice and experience and such it is, anyway that's something most people do in private and solo, we've got facts supporting that, like HQ Systems of the different Powers always deserted (only exception the occasional module shopper). Another example: nobody usually bothers about missles against NPCs, in an open environment you must do that, because you know... reverberating cascade torpedoes. Or even simply putting the lowest possible shield in your ship to have more cargo is a very bad idea in Open. So you can disagree of course, but it's kind of neglecting voluntary the fact that private/solo players are advantaged by the very fact they are not in such a danger to justify a decently defended build.
And that's the cool thing about Open Play: the danger, the fact that you have to be smart and not rely on your ship, or cooperate with other players. Trust me: I fortified in Harma, in Open, during a Community Goal. I had escort of course, but they tried to kill me: they did not. But again I understand that not everybody wanna play this way, so for people who like this kind of gamestyle I ask some kind of game mechanic, in fact a revamped Powerplay, to have something to fight for.
Again: is it that wrong to ask? A fair playground for us?
Asking is acceptable. Demanding and vilifying, condemning and generally blaming anyone who opposes that request; in support of their own game play style. Is not OK.
Edit:- Simply dismissing the way I play the game, because it does not fit into you ideas of how the game is played. Is not polite and not the components, that make for a good debate.
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You probably don't understand that you are asking for a different game altogether. Bringing some sort of open-only enforcement into Elite with its shaky instancing will only result in a competition in a different ways people can cripple their networking. This will happen as soon as you give some sort of a bonus for playing in Open.
In fact I understand that very well: that's the reason why I would like to have just Powerplay Open Only.
As I said before, I still think that the best scenario would be to have two totally separate Galaxies with two dinstinct CMDRs, an open Only galaxy and a "mixed" one (with both training and realxing gamestyle purposes), but I understand that's too much to manage for the developers.
I only ask you guys to aknowledge the fact that there's people asking for a different kind of gameplay too, that could coexist with the main game, without touching it too much, which is an Open Only Powerplay more disconnected to the BGS.
I understand what you are asking and just trying to point out that there is no way to properly enforce this gameplay the way you want it. A separate Galaxy won't solve this issue in any way. A separate server may be where you enforce who can play and who cannot, leaving you to play power-play with a few friends.
Steam Charts !!!
LMAO.
Wow, just wow.
You do know the game released on PC long before it was on Steam right?
I can log in and play independent of Steam, as can many others.
Plus once some Steam folks found out Steam take 30% of all Steam sales, they unlinked their accounts and moved to the independent launcher.
Citing Steam for evidence is like asking Mystic Meg the lottery numbers.
So as I said, using actual real numbers, direct from Frontier - the people who make the game and have the numbers from independent accounts AND Steam accounts.
Over 4 million copies of Elite have sold, 1,500 people were involved in the focus feedback and not all of those wanted Open Only.
The Mobius Group has 40,000+ members, who want PvE BTW. If the Mobius Group had been bothered to post on the focus feedback, the trolls who want Open Only would have been washed away in that sea of posts.
The 'trolls'? Who are they? From what I saw these 'trolls' put forward decent arguments for the option, while loud shrieks and table thumping came from those who did not. I can't remember Open only advocates posting threads like "What is Sandro playing at?" for example.
Obsidian Ants poll 0f 7.7K players had about 52% wanting Open, 25% wanting no change, and the rest wanting weighted merits. Thats 3900 votes from a neutral streamer for the option- I know you don't like it, but a lot of people do.
Along with that giant 'if', they had a chance like everyone else and remained silent on the issue. Plus I find it deeply ironic and amusing that a PvE group that does not like PvP would want to vote on a feature where killing and pirating is welcomed.
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I think you (as many others) underestimate how many people could find an open only environment (or just even a game mechanic exclusive to open play) challenging. As I wrote before, I've had experience of people who didn't simply bought the game (or bought it then abandoned it soon after) when I told them how the open/pvt/solo coexistence works, we're talking about people coming from other mmorpgs, their first thought was that many people would have simply hide in pvt/solo (which is correct, sadly, it's what happens for the vast majority).
In my opinion, FDev did a great mistake in design with this solution, many mmorpgs found solutions for a more single player oriented experience and a competitive one, but these mechanics are usually separated. And that's the problem: you claim your right to play the way you want as a customer and I totally understand what you want, but you folk keep ignoring what I and other people want from this game, and many others too, many potential customers, or former players to come back to the game.
Powerplay right now is appealing for the single player just because of powerplay modules: most of Powerplayers have always rooted for these modules to be available to everybody in some other ways, for example with Tech-brokers, since they've been implemented in the game.
A new, better Powerplay, possibly without all the mathematical flaws it has right now, Open Only, with no trinkets for the single players and maybe a CG-style reward system to give a new purpose to Command Capital and make people play it as best they can: I am quite sure that such a gamestyle could be surprisingly popular and would give pvpers something better to do than seal-club explorers and newbies.
Everybody wins.
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Goose4291
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No. It has a reported 40,000+ individual acounts, in varying states of activity which individual players can own multiples of, players who's loyalty might not lie with the hard-core anti-open rhetoric of its more zealous elements (for example, I had a membership at one stage before I was 'purged').
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Wow, a YouTube Poll... stop the press!!
/facepalm.
Interestingly, I'm one of the 150K subscribers and I'd hardly call him "neutral".
But each to their own I guess.
And again, not really a reliable source of information. As anyone can vote on them, just create a free email and vote over and over.
Now if Frontier do a poll, tied to our accounts, then I'll listen. Until then, worthless polls are worthless.
Well if you want to discount "varying states of activity" - look how many PvP'ers have openly said they don't play - so their voice is worthless I guess, which is cool - makes my life easier when I can link them here for their answer to open only, if you're not actively playing, no voice.
And almost every in Mobius is there because they support the choice to paly where they want, Open Only removes choices.
So are you saying then that Obsidian Ant is a useless hardcore PvP troll enabler then? As far as I can tell he occupies the middle ground and attracts subscribers and viewers based on that.
As opposed people who own alt accounts get to vote 'officially' over and over? Admittedly we only have two datapoints but the trend from both is that Open based Powerplay has a lot of interest.
I bought a copy and do not play anymore.
I'm also in mobius and only used it for mode switching.
Steam charts are at least an indication rather than pulling nonsense out of the air.
Goose4291
Banned
Of course you do. How many copies of the game are you up to now?
Even then, I suspect that If you got the result you didn't want though, you'd find some off-tangent reason to discount it.
As always, you're strawmanning to try to misdirect from the fact your original statement I quoted is hideously wrong.
So to be clear, I repeat:
1: Mobius numbers are based on account numbers.
2: Players can have multiple accounts.
3: Mobius 'numbers' can't differentiate between active (currently playing) and inactive (not playing) players.
4: Regularly yourself and the rest have repeated in many mode 'discussions' how Mobius isn't a single 'hive mind' entity. I'm citing myself as an example of this, as has Withnail in their response to you. Yet now because it suits your agenda, Mobians are all automatically going to block/oppose Open Only Powerplay.
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You know, this is fun somehow, because it's basically a matter of denying people something "just because".
I've encountered any kind of bigotism in my life, and I've found any of those kinda sad, there's nothing worst than people struggling to let other people not have something to defend whatever they think they're defending, but this kind of bigotism is the saddest of them all because it's a videogame we're talking about and you're acting exactly as some people do for more sensitive matters. It's enraging to see that kind of closed-mind behaviour dedicated to something such trivial as a videogame. You are fighting to make people play the way you want. Nobody here is fighting to delete private or solo mode, still you're acting as you are defending those playmodes. There's no need. You are just fighting to make Open Play worthless because in your little sad delusional construct you imagine all people that look for something different than you do as trolls, sociopaths or whatever, and that's insulting.
So: step down from the pedestal you built for yourself, because behind the nicknames there's all kind of people, real people.
I've encountered any kind of bigotism in my life, and I've found any of those kinda sad, there's nothing worst than people struggling to let other people not have something to defend whatever they think they're defending, but this kind of bigotism is the saddest of them all because it's a videogame we're talking about and you're acting exactly as some people do for more sensitive matters. It's enraging to see that kind of closed-mind behaviour dedicated to something such trivial as a videogame. You are fighting to make people play the way you want. Nobody here is fighting to delete private or solo mode, still you're acting as you are defending those playmodes. There's no need. You are just fighting to make Open Play worthless because in your little sad delusional construct you imagine all people that look for something different than you do as trolls, sociopaths or whatever, and that's insulting.
So: step down from the pedestal you built for yourself, because behind the nicknames there's all kind of people, real people.
He has his own agenda, which is clearly visible to those who pay attention.
It's why I stopped watching his stuff, his bias for his prefered style shows.
At least people with Alt accounts paid for that privilege.
Forum Polls / YouTube Polls only need an email account - which is free and you can have as many as you want.
Which means you can have as many "votes" as you want. So as I said, worthless polls are worthless.
Steam Charts are only an indication of people who are using Steam. Nothing more.
My game time on Steam reads 1238 Hours, which is nowhere near what my in-game timer reads.
We have no idea what % of the player base use Steam and what % do not.
Unless Frontier want to enlighten us, Steam charts are irrelevant.
I also will not buy anything via the Steam interface either. I log out of the game and go to the website.
I own one copy, as I always have.
If Frontier gave ran an official poll, then whatever the result was is the answer.
I discount nonsense and rubbish - which people keep throwing about to forcefully remove content from me because they are spiteful.
If Frontier decided to back them, so be it. Plenty of games out there I like where the Devs don't kowtow to the minority.
My point still stands, which you've as normal tried to ignore.
Youtube Polls are relevant. If people want to claim an idea is popular by a YouTube Poll, I'll counter with the Mobius Group numbers - they are more relevant and honest.
Because as you say, Mobius Group numbers are based on paid accounts, not free email address like YT Polls.
And yes, Mobius members are not a "hive mind", but that does not change the fact we all have something in common.
Not wanting to always play in Open Mode. Which locking content means people would be forced to play Open Mode or lose content.
Sorry, but as usual you're trying to throw shade at me.
The "strawman" is all yours, as there is no legitimate reason to remove content from players because you say so.
All the fake YT polls or innaccurate Steam Charts are not proof of the argument. It's just more smaoke and mirrors by grifers / gankers to ruin part of the game.
Well technically CQC is Open Only somehow, but I don't see you fighting CQC so hard.