Sure. I'm interested to see just how much effort you're willing to put into repeating yourself over and over.
Sure. I'm interested to see just how much effort you're willing to put into repeating yourself over and over.
Sure. I'm interested to see just how much effort you're willing to put into repeating yourself over and over.
So you're trolling? Thanks for admitting it. Reported.
I think also, given how thoroughly you've demonstrated your own intellectual bankruptcy and disinterest in considering alternatives to your own dogmatic views, I'm going to go ahead and add you to my ignore list as well. We've been around the block a few times now, a few more than I should have given you, and I have neither the time nor patience to waste on cretins who love pointing out the flaws they perceive in others, but can never admit to their own.
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I'm trying to help you.
You keep writing these big, long posts and I keep trying to tell you that you're wasting your time.
You're trolling yourself.
Why jump on your soapbox and tell everyone you have 'reported' Stealthie for having an opinion that varies from yours? Seems a very shallow and thin skinned response ...
I'm not trying to win. I offered a counterpoint to Stealthie's claim of a 'trend' and he threw a tantrum. If he'd been able to provide evidence of a trend, I would happily defer. But no such evidence was presented. I'm not trying to compete, I'm trying to have a discussion. That's it.
Well you're a grown up & you don't need advice from me but I see no tantrum myself, so to my eyes your posts come across as a bit OTT atm. Naturally you have your own view, as will any other readers.
I agree with M00ka that announcing a report (or a plonk) is pretty weak. Just do it & if the mods agree with you the post will go, if they don't remove it the integrity of the rest of your message won't be compromised.
The rest of their cosmetics are rather good quality actually; that's what I buy.
The Viper ship kit was rather sub-par, and I didn't plan on purchasing another kit for a while... after the Python kit.. I HAD to get that.. but AFTER that NO MORE! .. oddly though, the quality of the Python looked pretty good, no complaints. It looks like the quality has improved on the kits though, I looked again at my Viper kit over the weekend and was happy with it.
But when the Viper kit was released it was utterly appalling, especially in comparison to the others; it genuinely looked like someone had slapped something together over the weekend. It wasn't worth the cost, not by a long shot. It was so bad
No and Yes. It depends on the change in the quality; like, if we're just talking about the fidelity of the product, then no; but if the entire thing is changed, for example, moving parts or whatever, then yes.
ED is a paid game; if they started charging $10 a paintjob.. I will be quite unhappy. Cosmetics in F2P are higher to compensate for the lack of income from game sales.
Loot boxes suck; however SWTOR does let you buy a specific piece of armour. The catch is that you are limited to what they are selling at that point in time; the loot boxes dig deep into the entire game's history of cosmetic seasons; giving you a huge variety.
I bought the 50 hypercrate (not sure of the price); and the goodies it gave me set me up with several hundred million Credits after selling them on the market which greatly assisted with my play-through.
I also have a problem; I am a sucker for cosmetics in games. I spent $500 on Path of Exile in a single weekend.
I'm getting help, I promise. xD
Apparently I have him ignored too, because I can't see any posts. I ignore people when they demonstrate intellectual dishonesty to such a degree that an argument becomes likely to rage for days if it doesn't get ended by an ignore or block, and I tell people I'm reporting them so that they know exactly who it was, and what it was for, when they get the result. I'm an avid believer of one's right to face their accuser. Most gaming forums, and games, will send you a message saying "you've done the wrong thing" without always going into detail about what that wrong thing was, or who reported you. I like people to know it was me, and why.
The 'tantrum' is obvious, and a common one, and is evident in his attempt to pass off my criticism as a 'strawman' (which it wasn't) and then, when that failed, as 'rudeness' (which it also wasn't). His tantrum was his attempt to discredit and dismiss the criticism as invalid due to factors related to its presentation, rather than directly address/acknowledge the criticism. It's the intellectual equivalent of a tantrum, and I have no time for that. Let me break down what I do have time for:
There were only two intellectually honest, valid responses to my criticism:
1. You're right, I should reconsider my position
2. You're wrong, and here's the evidence and/or argument as a counterpoint
I will accept either, and if I'm wrong, I'll own it. I expect nothing more or less from anyone than I expect from myself. It really is that simple.
This is actually the answer I was looking for, because it brings me to what I think is the primary point of contention here.
FDEV are keeping quality at a reasonable level in order to maintain reasonable prices.
Now, if FDEV actually started producing more expensive, higher quality stuff, people would still buy it. I have no doubt that I certainly would. If they did that without maintaining a stock of 'cheap' stuff, then a lot of people would be left with nothing they could afford. However, if they did both, then you get the proximity effect: people with the cheap stuff see people flying around with the expensive stuff, and they want it too, and suddenly people who can't afford it are buying it anyway. That's why in many multiplayer games that sell cosmetics, they'll always try to team you up with someone that's bought lots of cosmetics, so you can see them and want them yourself. That's part of many matchmaking algorithms these days, in games like Destiny and SWTOR.
So, it's a challenge for FDEV, because on one hand, they want to be fair to the players, and on the other, they want to make money. What would you do in that situation, if you were a developer?
Aww I never got the public announcement that I was blocked, I feel so cheated now - and I suspect in a growing group of everyone who has dared question Commander Voidwalker opinion. Pfft, his loss, my gain, I can say anything about him now
Aww I never got the public announcement that I was blocked, I feel so cheated now - and I suspect in a growing group of everyone who has dared question Commander Voidwalker opinion. Pfft, his loss, my gain, I can say anything about him now
I generally find Voidwalker's posts entertaining & well written, even if I don't always agree with them. Just as with yours M00ka
Perhaps people can step back from the argie bargie before this thread gets locked?
On second thoughts, carry on!
On second thoughts, carry on!
Apart from a few odd-balls, yeah the quality is about the same. For me, quality is also about variety. The quality of the content; for example, offering a paint pack where it's just variations of the same design, is a bit meh.
Personally, I'd prefer to pay for a design and then get the ability to change the colour of that design to suit my preferences. This gives me much greater flexibility and makes the paints much more worth it, IMHO.
As would I.
Interesting, wasn't aware that games did that. Interesting thing to check out in future.
I already am a developer; and I have a certain level of standard that I pass on to my clients through my work.
If I were in Frontier's shoes, I would expect the same level of standards applied to everything we do, regardless if it's a cosmetic or an expansion.
If the cosmetics are all well priced, and of a high quality; people are more inclined to pay for it. In addition, I would also allow said cosmetics to be obtained in other ways; and not just through money; in game currency (earned by playing), competitions, etc. I would also include equally high quality cosmetics for free, in the game. Earned through things like Pilot promotion, or certain missions etc.
That said, however, I don't develop for the games industry so I don't know if that process would work.
I work in medical, so my work has to be of a high standard - we can't afford to be sloppy in this field.
I generally find Voidwalker's posts entertaining & well written, even if I don't always agree with them. Just as with yours M00ka
I think the difference is that you and I, even when we have very different opinions on a topic, we always acknowledge the other's opinion and do keep things civil (well I hope we do
).I think I've identified a point of confusion between us, and I want to clarify definitions.
Let me explain what I mean by 'quality'. I like cars, so we'll use them as an example, because they're relatable as well.
I'm talking about quality as a difference between the Toyota Yaris and the Toyota GT86. Both have the same quality when it comes to regulation expectations, however, the GT86 has better build quality, with better suspension, tires, engine, and a whole host of things that are just better. That's why the GT86 costs twice as much as a Yaris, because it's twice the car (and a fantastic one to both drive on the street, and throw sideways on the racetrack, which I do with my own, but I digress).
You seem to be talking about quality as the difference between a car that's roadworthy, and one that's not, as in, "all cars on the road should have the same standards". I agree with you completely in that regard, all cosmetics should have a minimum expectation of quality. But if the cosmetics we have now are Yaris's, then there's room for some GT86s, and maybe FDEV don't want to produce GT86s to keep prices reasonable so the money continues to flow. That's what I'm talking about.
I'm with you.
Put that way, I would expect everything to be at or near 86-level quality. I would not have inferior products alongside superior ones just to make things more affordable for others. Everything would be 86, and everything would be priced accordingly.
If you can't afford the cosmetics, you shouldn't be spending your money on them in the first place ( I would be a responsible developer looking out for my customers best interests, lol
) - which is why I would offer alternatives to acquiring said product.
Of course, that depends on how sales go - if everything is too highly priced, lower the price until the sales roll in, or until it's not financially viable anymore; by then I would have likely started looking for other ways to generate interest. Warframe's player submitted cosmetics would be another alternative which could work (though some might disagree).
Bear in mind I don't run my own company; so I could just be talking out of my starfish through sheer ignorance.
Put that way, I would expect everything to be at or near 86-level quality. I would not have inferior products alongside superior ones just to make things more affordable for others. Everything would be 86, and everything would be priced accordingly.
If you can't afford the cosmetics, you shouldn't be spending your money on them in the first place ( I would be a responsible developer looking out for my customers best interests, lol
) - which is why I would offer alternatives to acquiring said product.Of course, that depends on how sales go - if everything is too highly priced, lower the price until the sales roll in, or until it's not financially viable anymore; by then I would have likely started looking for other ways to generate interest. Warframe's player submitted cosmetics would be another alternative which could work (though some might disagree).
Bear in mind I don't run my own company; so I could just be talking out of my starfish through sheer ignorance.
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