I don't get the hate for bots, what's really wrong with that?

I play in a faction who actively engages in BGS and Powerplay, and I sometimes help them with that. And obviously it would kinda suck if all our effort is undone by a few bots, but I can't really fault other players for using them.
I see the fault solely by FDev, for creating a system that encourages botting and not doing enough to make it more rewarding to actually play the game yourself by hand.

Whenever you have a system that is purely about numbers, and not skill, then you gonna have people using every tool available to maximise "their" numbers. That's just human nature.

I really can't be angry about that. The way I see it, I just roleplay it as playing against an AI race, like the borg, and enjoy the challenge (or hunt them when I see one). Because in the end of the day, the numbers are just numbers and nothing more.
Just because it is possible to cheat does not excuse cheating. It is technically possible to cheat at all sorts of board games and card games, it doesn't make it right.
Now ultumately I DO hold FD partially responsible for making the game mechanically simple enough to bot and this is why I am worried for this new update which will without doubt make it easier to bot, BUT ultimately the buck does stop with the cheater.
IF the gameplay is so boring and grindy that you don't want to play... Just don't play, find a game you enjoy.
At its core I still love ED but it is stuff like this as well as pandering to removing a the grind and removing all long term goals which is killing this game for me .
 
At its core I still love ED but it is stuff like this as well as pandering to removing a the grind and removing all long term goals which is killing this game for me .
Can I haz your autopilot? Oh, and your new free slots, as I hear these will give me a HUGE advantage.
 
Let me be clear; I do not use a bot for ED. I enjoy flying. I love the game. I think auto docking is abused to the point that people can't fly properly. I know I used AD far too long after starting, and when I stopped using it I got way better. AD is a crutch, for the most part.

If FD didn't have rules against bots, I wouldn't be bothered by them. I like to kid about AD (et al.) but ultimately I want people to play how they like. You wanna write a bot for Power Play? I'm fine with that as long as you aren't doing anything illegal (hacking client, breaking TOS, etc...).

I never used autopilot either (even though I would like to) and never had a problem with it either. I actually think the flight mechanics of this game are way too easy, especially after you engineer your ship.

Your second paragraph just made me realize that FDev will simply not be able to stop botting in this game, until they make botting unprofitable (and, for a first step, make powerplay open only).

Which would require a complete rewrite of their core gameplay. Which is not going to happen, obviously. So people should get used to bots, I guess.
 
How is botting cheating? They are not altering the games code to gain an otherwise unobtainable advantage (e.g. unlimited "health"), they are simply automating the mundane tasks we have to do, to gain reward in this game.

And as someone else has said, how is it any different to sharing your account with friends who fly for you while you sleep? Someone could go so far to hire a hundred people to fly the ships on his multiple accounts. Would that be cheating too?

The only real difference with botting is that it's a computer program doing it and not a human being.
Quoting FDev's Code of Conduct (bolding mine):

We do not tolerate cheating of any kind in our online multiplayer games. This includes, but is not limited to, the use of automated scripts, programs or services offered outside of the game to generate a player advantage, altering game code or memory, sharing or trading account access with others or using cheat codes.

We do not tolerate the use of any exploits or taking advantage of any bugs in the game to generate a significant player advantage.

Any player caught cheating or exploiting our games or services may be subject to game moderation, the alteration or removal of in-game assets, a gameplay suspension or ban, or the termination of their Frontier account.

Edit: Account sharing is also considered cheating.
 
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If Fdev wanted to produce a game full of shipping companies that relied on NPC pilots they would implement it like the X-series games.
Instead Fdev specifically stated that was not what Elite is about and claiming innocence regarding BGS manipulation is disingenuous.
 
But im PC and i dont cheat, Macro or voice control and i fly with an Xbox controller sprawled out on my sofa in my underpants like every console player.
Some of us have a dressing gown and underpants. #stayingclassy

On the subject of bots. I have to ask those who do 'bot'- is this honestly how you want to play a game? I felt dirty enough gaining 6% of pioneer explorer rank down in Seos. Sounds like a complete waste of time where you could have played a game you actually enjoyed.

Obviously bots are going nowhere but I'll just never understand the mentality of buying a game and then deciding to build your own NPC to play it. Waste of money.

I say this as someone who doesn't care too much about powerplay or BGS. I completely understand how those who are into those would be annoyed with this practice.
 
Can I haz your autopilot? Oh, and your new free slots, as I hear these will give me a HUGE advantage.
You can have my autopilot if I can have your leather dashboard on your ship

In principle I am not botherd about AP, I guess it is just one more straw.
Fix the graphical problems with ADS in VR, as well as the rank progression in exploration and to lesser extent trade and I will be happy
 
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If Fdev wanted to produce a game full of shipping companies that relied on NPC pilots they would implement it like the X-series games.
Instead Fdev specifically stated that was not what Elite is about and claiming innocence regarding BGS manipulation is disingenuous.

Devs realised a long time ago that its basicly impossible to do anything about it without investing serious resources.

I say this as someone who doesn't care too much about powerplay or BGS. I completely understand how those who are into those would be annoyed with this practice.

Yeah im not entirely evil :) i do feel a bit bad for people who game is being ruined. Ill just say this, if you are sitting there with this what are they doing feeling, this is how i felt when they gave us the FSS. You have to ask yourself who gave them the feedback that it was a good idea? (auto undock) At the time i said they were being given troll feedback. Got to wonder right? Whos coming up with these stupid ideas.
 
Kill the Sacred BGS, and Power Play. Frontier pretty much makes it up, anyway.

Let battles in open decide things. Or, open trade. That way the players decide the outcome.

Of course, we will lose the servers for 16 hours a day, but Frontier is OK with that... :)
 
Look, for my money they totally stuffed up engineers during a dodgy "Counterstrike, but it's spaceships" phase they went through a couple of years ago. The game became too focussed on combat. The kind of builds you're talking about ought to be all-but impossible and very rare and special, but they're not.
 
Well.... laaa deee daaaa...

;)
I know. Living the dream!

Yeah im not entirely evil :) i do feel a bit bad for people who game is being ruined. Ill just say this, if you are sitting there with this what are they doing feeling, this is how i felt when they gave us the FSS. You have to ask yourself who gave them the feedback that it was a good idea? (auto undock) At the time i said they were being given troll feedback. Got to wonder right? Whos coming up with these stupid ideas.

Yeah, I get the standard docking computer and to a certain extent the SC autopilot, but I can't think of any time that undocking was ever a problem. I mean maybe in a T-9, T-10 or a Cutter you might catch the sides a bit, but for a new player in a Sidewinder? I'd have thought that's the easy part.
 
BGS and PowerPlay Botting is bad, because it allows a group of players, or a single player, to effect the BGS or PowerPlay 24/7/365.

It likely takes several real people to counter 1 bot.

PowerPlay may be a load of garbage, but it's still no excuse to cheat.
 
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