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What role are you playing in-game, Morbad? (not a criticism - I feel I should already know but my memory fails me!)
Space Force Presents: Operation Drag Queen
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What role are you playing in-game, Morbad? (not a criticism - I feel I should already know but my memory fails me!)
Its pretty weaksauce regardless of what you call it.
Gankers: Fix this or we will keep doing what we always did and will continue to keep doing anyway regardless of what you do.
FD: Ummm.... i see...
Well, let's be honest, we are all wasting our time playing computer games anyway.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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You guys are really missing the point here.
With these new changes this doesnt give people the chance to improve. Yeah, some of those guys already got nuked before. But now, not only will those same guys die. But they wont know why. They wont have the chance to out maneuver.
This has caused a ripple effect and in turn makes a lot of other modules stronger. Very strong as a matter of fact.
Believe it or not this is not just about drag. Or the same people dying.
You have to give the chance for people to improve. This also removes tons of skill that is required to learn how to improve.
Remember when we played super mario bros? And we kept falling in the same hole, or died to the same turtle over and over again? Over time we figured it out and got better.
This removes that capability. Skill is not rewarded. Its straight up murder for for anyone on the other end.
Please take the time to think this through and stop being so shallow.
I just choked on my coffee!
If this affects PvP so badly, everyone will fit it, then the playing field is levelled. If it is so awful and prevents progression then no-one fits one and the status quo is observed...
Regardless, if you are a PvP player the change will be accommodated in some way - and respected players have already posted that it is just 'inconvenient'...
Sorry if you conceive this to be shallow
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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I just choked on my coffee!
If this affects PvP so badly, everyone will fit it, then the playing field is levelled. If it is so awful and prevents progression then no-one fits one and the status quo is observed...
Regardless, if you are a PvP player the change will be accommodated in some way - and respected players have already posted that it is just 'inconvenient'...
Sorry if you conceive this to be shallow
Here is a more detailed description.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/power-curves-alpha-dmg-vs-utility-dmg.509622/
Read it you might learn something.
The Replicated Man
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I think many people in this thread are thinking as follows.
They are ignoring the fact that drag is really OP now, and makes it really hard to have balanced PvP engagements. They are focusing on the fact that the dirty Griefers or PvPers in Elite are the ones that are complaining the most about this and that makes them happy.
Ignore the problem because you don't like the type of person/individual who is pointing out the problem.
Either it's the old Ostrich sticking it's head into the sand scenario, but in this case the ostrich is snickering to itself.
"Oh it's not bad!" "Doesn't change anything" Just screws over every PvP pilot in the game.
They are ignoring the fact that drag is really OP now, and makes it really hard to have balanced PvP engagements. They are focusing on the fact that the dirty Griefers or PvPers in Elite are the ones that are complaining the most about this and that makes them happy.
Ignore the problem because you don't like the type of person/individual who is pointing out the problem.
Either it's the old Ostrich sticking it's head into the sand scenario, but in this case the ostrich is snickering to itself.
"Oh it's not bad!" "Doesn't change anything" Just screws over every PvP pilot in the game.
Morbad is my hero! Correction, the CMDR played by Morbad is my hero
Some of these same guys provide content for us in Eravate, so its nice to see their names in your vids as well. After day 1 "Ragnarok" drag change I can say I've been inconvenienced in a couple of ways. First I switched my c1 emissive laser to a drag frag. But that raised my DPS so i'm killing ships faster than before. The framerate is annoying in this new version. I was interdicted a couple of times but got away as expected. I guess it will take some time for the new ganking methods to spread in such a way that escape is no longer possible? I'll keep you updated.
I read it... and?
Those invested in the game as a PvP playground have had to accomodate 'power creep' and a very narrow 'meta' build for some time - if I understand all I have read over the last year (including some very assertive comments from your good self that no-one but you understands the game) or so that I have watched the forum - and that with each change they have evolved their builds to remain 'competitive'.
No different from the change introduced yesterday, if it remains the 'meta' will evolve once more and the status quo will, once more, be observed. Skilled players will still retain their skill and would be able to implement changes to their play style, after all, like every other change, for those players it will be adapt or die...
Your very well written post could be summed up in far fewer words, but wouldn't be quite so eloquent
Those invested in the game as a PvP playground have had to accomodate 'power creep' and a very narrow 'meta' build for some time - if I understand all I have read over the last year (including some very assertive comments from your good self that no-one but you understands the game) or so that I have watched the forum - and that with each change they have evolved their builds to remain 'competitive'.
No different from the change introduced yesterday, if it remains the 'meta' will evolve once more and the status quo will, once more, be observed. Skilled players will still retain their skill and would be able to implement changes to their play style, after all, like every other change, for those players it will be adapt or die...
Your very well written post could be summed up in far fewer words, but wouldn't be quite so eloquent
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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I read it... and?
Those invested in the game as a PvP playground have had to accomodate 'power creep' and a very narrow 'meta' build for some time - if I understand all I have read over the last year (including some very assertive comments from your good self that no-one but you understands the game) or so that I have watched the forum - and that with each change they have evolved their builds to remain 'competitive'.
No different from the change introduced yesterday, if it remains the 'meta' will evolve once more and the status quo will, once more, be observed. Skilled players will still retain their skill and would be able to implement changes to their play style, after all, like every other change, for those players it will be adapt or die...
Your very well written post could be summed up in far fewer words, but wouldn't be quite so eloquent
This is obviously over your head and under your feet. Thats okay.
Pot, kettle, black
I can read, and yes, under my feet and scraped off
I can read, and yes, under my feet and scraped off
That is a different story.
Inbalanced assetts are never a good thing in an online game.I just choked on my coffee!
If this affects PvP so badly, everyone will fit it, then the playing field is levelled. If it is so awful and prevents progression then no-one fits one and the status quo is observed...
Regardless, if you are a PvP player the change will be accommodated in some way - and respected players have already posted that it is just 'inconvenient'...
Sorry if you conceive this to be shallow
There is much truth to this statement. Well said. I would make the distinction that I'm waiting to see how this change actually affects the game before I decide what should be done about it. That may take a few days or a week of testing and empirical data. Less jaw flapping.
That sorta kinda happens on it's own when you go back through pages of a thread trying to figure out what it was you're talking about. Gods forbid you make it easy for any of us - or is that the point?
Frankly, I think you're just mad you got caught saying some pretty ridiculous stuff and got rightfully meme'd for it.
The new mechanic isn't very fun in a 1v1 situation. You get hit with drag, drift out 3-4km, not fighting your opponent. When I fought BigMaec I went with the most cheese FDL build I could. Bi-weave shield tank meta with three gimbal multis and two seeker racks with drag. He flew a Krait with frags and yielded at 30% hull. I had a dim ring of shield.
Neither of us are top tier PvP pilots by any stretch of the imagination but we are competent. It was the most unsatisfying victory I've ever experienced. Neither of us had very much fun.
How about you go throw on some Drag Munitions and let us know how you like it? Do you have Ryder or Nemo unlocked? I'm sure some folks could help you out if you don't!
Get off it.
My attitude is "Open is Open." If you don't want to play that, PG and Solo are just fine. If you'd like help on thriving in Open, hit me (or the dozens of people in this thread) up for help. We'll totally hook you up.
The plain fact of the matter is the anti-Drag folks are some of the most helpful people in this game. Maybe you could learn from them.
Some people think I'm a ganker and I don't even play this stupid game.
No, because FDEV has all the power in this arrangement. They could say, "Drag Munitions are working as intended. We don't like what you're doing in response to that so this is the only warning you get before we start handing out game bans."
And what could DQ meaningfully do (besides take their case to the public and rightfully get FDEV smeared to holy hell)?
Folks, leave the real world horrible metaphors out of this. There's nothing happening here that remotely approaches hostage taking, blackmail, sexual assault, school shootings, psychosis, or all the rest.
Grow. Up.
It's clear they (the more vociferous pro-Drag folks) don't want to improve so why would they care about other people wanting to?
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Well sure I get that, but just because they are bad at video games. Doesn't mean everyone wants to be.
They mad cuz they bad. True story
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