The Star Citizen Thread V10

[StuartGT]

For the last time, I find it hypocritical to think that rewards promised on release being 2 years late is 'okay' for Elite Dangerous, but that somehow rewards promised on release for a game that hasn't even been released at this stage not being delivered is somehow 'bad'.

What is 'release' anyway? Let's ask Chris Roberts:

On the Star Citizen front, we’re applying a different approach, which is more like — we treat ourselves like a live game. We’re constantly trying to improve it, even though we still have loads of features that we’ve committed to and we still need to do. We’ve made the approach of — it’s a kind of live, iterative process that’s ongoing.

A fair amount of our backers totally get that. They’re cool with that. I think there is some subset of people in the gaming world that don’t quite understand that yet about Star Citizen. They look at it through this lens of, “Is it released yet?” Which is a bit different to us. We’re in this weird early access phase where people are playing and doing stuff, but we’re still wiping the database now and then, doing new releases, changing functionality, and rebalancing stuff.

We’re in this neverland spot, which is, I would say — it’s not completely new to the business. Other people, like DayZ or even Minecraft in the early days, were in a similar status. But it is a newer way of doing stuff compared to the old way, where we did it shut away from everyone until it was finished and went out to the public.

 

[Skizomeuh]

Through this logic, noone shouldn't be gruntled or disgruntled as long as SC is not released. But then it should be the same for every cent CIG got so far: they're not theirs and should not be able to play with it and shouldn't have the right to refuse refunds.

 

[Mole HD]

So that makes it okay for CIG behave similarly then? Okay great, stand down everyone, you bunch of hypocrites.

That wasn't really the point though...was it?

 

[Agony_Aunt]

What is 'release' anyway? Let's ask Chris Roberts:

Star Citizen backers: We are so glad CIG are taking their time to get it right and not release a half finished buggy mess like ED!

Also Star Citizen backers: Its already released and being iterated upon (talking about the less than half finished buggy mess that is the SC PU)

 

[Viajero]

The Schrodinger game

 

[sovapid]

I'm sure you can back up that claim with concrete examples, right? You wouldn't just be conflating everyone on all the forums with the specific people in this thread, or assuming that, as with SC, if you wish it were true then it must be. Or, you know, lying.

It is a shame that Goose generalized about ED supporters when everyone in this thread is so careful not to generalize about SC backers.

You would never see posts along the lines of "SC backers are...."

• Shills
• Suckers
• Stupid

 

[Agony_Aunt]

It is a shame that Goose generalized about ED supporters when everyone in this thread is so careful not to generalize about SC backers.

You would never see posts along the lines of "SC backers are...."

• Shills
• Suckers
• Stupid

While you have a point, its clear Goose was referencing certain people in this thread while avoiding getting whacked by the mods for making a personal attack by being specific.

 

[ianw]

I think you could make the hypocrite argument (about condeming one for delays and not the other) stick if both had promised, delayed, and then delivered.

But at this point only one has done that. Which makes the other objectively worse given it kickstarted slightly ahead of the other and has taken considerably more cash than the other - allegedly.

 

[Viajero]

I think you could make the hypocrite argument (about condeming one for delays and not the other) stick if both had promised, delayed, and then delivered.

But at this point only one has done that. Which makes the other objectively worse given it kickstarted slightly ahead of the other and has taken considerably more cash than the other - allegedly.

Yeah, no game development is probably free of guilt, none is perfect and all can be indeed criticized from many angles. But I often see SC fans equating ED delays or broken promises with SC delays and broken promises as if the comparison were somehow among equals (or as if it all were purely a binary issue without any regard to degree) in order to argue in SC defense or minimize its issues. Given that the scale of those failings is several orders of magnitude larger in the case of SC the argument is ignorant at best, or fundamentally disingenuous at worst.

 

[killminster]

That wasn't really the point though...was it?

No of course not. The point was to call people hypocrites, not to defend SC on it's own merits because even the fans of it here know it has very few and it's easier to talk about other games and the people who you disagree with...was it?

 

[VR Golgot]

If you read back, we've also been talking about USB sticks and the ilk, not just the manual.

Yep. And a "digital map of the game universe", for a game with half a system completed but which pitched for so much more at launch, and which merrily sells 'exploration' ships in the meantime. (A game which has drawn back heavily from that launch pledge, as they did with the mod support pledge).

But apparently none of that matters, or is amusing... Because somebody, somewhere, defended ED's delayed Kickstarter rewards.

Would this 'funny' be typing 'lol buy an Idris' in between cramming mouthfulls of popcorn into our mouths, tenderly stroking a signed photo of Derek Smart, all the while nodding sagely and pretending to understand accountancy, law, or whatever the next big thing is to justify our next reason why Star Citizen will fail?

If so I'll pass.

Oh absolutely. Any and all critiques of Star Citizen are irrational clown-shoed extremist positions, best exemplified by king clown Derek Smart.

It's wonderful that you turn to these silly extremes at the drop of a hat while simultaneously claiming a lack of measured and reasoned discourse in others.

Guess who's not wading through 5 years of frontier forum posts to prove a point, so you can all initially deny it with a 'I see no ships' hamdwave before spamming the report button for naming/shaming or whatever flimsy pretext y'all can find?

This guy, that's who.

Well thanks for the comically generic posts and the argument you can't stand up. It's all been incredibly edifying and compelling.

 

[AJW]

'You people are hypocrites'

'Which people?'

'Not saying'.

As defences of anything, that scores about 0/10

 

[[VR] Merkir]

What is 'release' anyway? Let's ask Chris Roberts:

On the Star Citizen front, we’re applying a different approach, which is more like — we treat ourselves like a live game. We’re constantly trying to improve it, even though we still have loads of features that we’ve committed to and we still need to do. We’ve made the approach of — it’s a kind of live, iterative process that’s ongoing.

A fair amount of our backers totally get that. They’re cool with that. I think there is some subset of people in the gaming world that don’t quite understand that yet about Star Citizen. They look at it through this lens of, “Is it released yet?” Which is a bit different to us. We’re in this weird early access phase where people are playing and doing stuff, but we’re still wiping the database now and then, doing new releases, changing functionality, and rebalancing stuff.

We’re in this neverland spot, which is, I would say — it’s not completely new to the business. Other people, like DayZ or even Minecraft in the early days, were in a similar status. But it is a newer way of doing stuff compared to the old way, where we did it shut away from everyone until it was finished and went out to the public.

Yup. More evidence it's the business model that matters to CRobbers, not the game.

He even tries to compare his business model to DayZ and Minecraft. Tch, perhaps he's aiming for a Microsoft buyout of his $350M CIG shares?

 

[Mole HD]

No of course not. The point was to call people hypocrites, not to defend SC on it's own merits because even the fans of it here know it has very few and it's easier to talk about other games and the people who you disagree with...was it?

I can't recall any posts directly defending SC...I certainly wouldn't.

Unlike Goose though, I do partake in the project and play on occasion...but really?..Star Citizen bashing got so low on content we're now nitpicking and fighting on the forum with each other for cheap shots?

Goose made a relevant comment on attitudes (rightly or wrongly)...now all you lot seem to be on the defensive all of a sudden...definitely a slow week.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Lulzworthily - CI-G sent me yet another email begging me to buy MOAR jpegs

June 25, 2019

Venerable Origin aficionado,

The Origin Celebration may be over, but there’s still time to secure some of our most celebrated spacecraft for your personal fleet.

All four 300 Series ships remain available in the 300 Series Celebration Pack, with the limited 350r, 600i, and M50 also in the pledge store until the end of the month. Don’t miss your chance to define the next generation today, and forever.

Faithfully,

Origin Jumpworks


Client Advocacy & Special Promotions

Now, turns out those jpegs are $270, $125, $475, $100 and for every single one:

This is not a GAME PACKAGE. Please note a GAME PACKAGE is required to play the game and fly or access your ships.

Hmmm Genuine Roberts - have you considered making a GAME first? Actually - you owe me two.

 

[Jenner]

Ok folks, let's get back on topic. Please leave out the personal jabs. Slow news is not a green light on badgering each other.

You don't want wake Yaffle. He's probably sleeping now and will be most displeased.

Thanks!

 

[CMDR Dizzy]

Lulzworthily - CI-G sent me yet another email begging me to buy MOAR jpegs



Now, turns out those jpegs are $270, $125, $475, $100 and for every single one:



Hmmm Genuine Roberts - have you considered making a GAME first?

I got one of those and I have unsubscribed from everything I could in SC. Made me laugh manically as I deleted that email. Like you I though try making an actual game Chris. Time to add them to my spam list it appears.

 

[sovapid]

It is a deflection, a means to avoid actually discussing SC on its merits, and evidence of nothing but an inability to do so.

Yes, that is what is going on in this thread, and all the other ones. An earnest discussion of SC on its merits. Nowhere near being a circle jerk of taking a dump on SC.

I can imagine the number of sleepless nights y'all are suffering through because you don't have your space ship shaped usbs yet.

 

[Asp Explorer]

I can imagine the number of sleepless nights y'all are suffering through because you don't have your space ship shaped usbs yet.

Not nearly as many sleepless night as those Citizens who purchase an Immersion Chariot that doesn't include a bed

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Lulzworthily - CI-G sent me yet another email begging me to buy MOAR jpegs



Now, turns out those jpegs are $270, $125, $475, $100 and for every single one:



Hmmm Genuine Roberts - have you considered making a GAME first? Actually - you owe me two.

This part exemplifies how this whole thing works...

Don’t miss your chance

They prey on the fear of missing out. Like if you don't buy, then that is it, you won't get one ever.

Which while it might be true for certain specific custom jobs, then ship in general should be available after launch (if its not, that's going to be rife for criticism).