Jumping to sister stars

... because hyper jumps arrive at the most massive body in the system, I expect.

How would a smaller body be jumped to in that context?
Lore is not immutable.

The Galaxy Map already tells you which secondary stars are in a system before you jump into it, even if it's unexplored. So our shipboard computers already know that other stars exist in a system, and what type they are - we just need a means to identify their location to lock on to their gravity well.

Change the lore to suggest that Guardian technological advances now allow drives to identify the location of sufficiently massive bodies through a combination of observable orbital wobble caused by secondary bodies (something we can already do right now), existing cartographic data, and gravimetric effects.
 
You'll have to explain that, because that link seems to show that you do, in fact, jump to the most massive star, which in that case is the main star.
The primary star (Prism) is 0.7773 solar masses.

But there are 3 other stars in that system, 2 of which have higher mass than the primary star:
  • Ruby (0.3867 solar masses)
  • Diamond (1.7969 solar masses)
  • Sapphire (2.1992 solar masses)
In other words, if the lore and game mechanics are designed to jump to the most massive body in a star system, why is that not happening in this case?
 

dxm55

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The primary star (Prism) is 0.7773 solar masses.

But there are 3 other stars in that system, 2 of which have higher mass than the primary star:
  • Ruby (0.3867 solar masses)
  • Diamond (1.7969 solar masses)
  • Sapphire (2.1992 solar masses)
In other words, if the lore and game mechanics are designed to jump to the most massive body in a star system, why is that not happening in this case?


Because arbitrary and artificial mechanics in place to waste your time travelling, thereby giving a "sense of scale", and keeping you busy from the fact that there is actually not much to do.

In before that dude/chick with the pseudo scientific explanations pulled out of a dumpster tries to explain this bit.
 
volume does not equal density.

What is bigger (massiver) 100ton of feathers or 100ton of lead?
I'm afraid the maths still don't add up.

Sphere volume = 4/3(πr^3)
Sphere density = mass / volume

  • Prism
    • Mass = 0.7773
    • Volume = 4/3 * (π * 0.8580^3) = 2.6458
    • Density = 0.7773 / 2.6458 = 0.2938
  • Ruby
    • Mass = 0.3867
    • Volume = 4/3 * (π * 0.2800^3) = 0.0920
    • Density = 0.3867 / 0.0920 = 4.2033
  • Diamond
    • Mass = 1.7969
    • Volume = 4/3 * (π * 1.2900^3) = 8.9920
    • Density = 1.7969 / 8.9920 = 0.1998
  • Sapphire
    • Mass = 2.1992
    • Volume = 4/3 * (π * 1.4300^3) = 12.2489
    • Density = 2.1992 / 2.6458 = 0.8312
By these calculations, Ruby is the most dense star, while Sapphire has the most mass and the highest volume. Prism is not the most massive star in any sense of the word, so why is it the star you jump to when you engage your FSD?
 
In other words, if the lore and game mechanics are designed to jump to the most massive body in a star system, why is that not happening in this case?

But it does... the most massive star in the system is Sapphire and that's where you jump. Sapphire is 0ls from the arrival point; Prism is 280,000ls from the arrival point.
 
But it does... the most massive star in the system is Sapphire and that's where you jump. Sapphire is 0ls from the arrival point; Prism is 280,000ls from the arrival point.
Oh my gosh! You're right!

Sorry - my bad. I misread that page and assumed the first star in the list was the most massive. 🥴

Thanks for the correction.
 
I had a bit of spare time, so decided to do this myself!

The table below lists users who are in favour of changing the current SuperCruise mechanic in some way ('FOR'), and those who are against changing it in any way ('AGAINST'), with links to the user's relevant comment expressing their view.

I've been very careful to select those who are 'For' changes to SuperCruise. These are people who have said they are not opposed to changes to SuperCruise, although they're specific implementation of any such changes may differ (some may support intra-system jumps, others prefer fast acceleration/deceleration, directly targeting secondary stars, etc...). The point is they are not entirely opposed to the idea of modifying SuperCruise in some form or another.

Those who are 'Against' have said they like how SuperCruise is right now and don't want to see it changed, and have not expressed any particular desire for compromise.

I have avoided adding people who have expressed no preference either way, or whose comments cannot really be taken seriously.

The primary source for this list was the following threads (there are lots more similar threads):
The list below is not exhaustive – I got bored after about an hour when it became clear the number of people who support changing the existing mechanic far outweighed the number of people who are opposed to it.

So there you go @Atol - facts confirmed!
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AGAINST
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dxm55 (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/proposal-for-alternative-sc-mechanic.517336/post-7898402)Para Handy (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/hyperspace-jump-within-system.516083/post-7872068)
Vasea Azure (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.423725/post-6646320)Atol (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/hyperspace-jump-within-system.516083/post-7899955)
John Xenir (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...upposed-to-be-micro-jumping-in-system.425054/)Ca$hback (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.423725/post-6645488)
LazyCalf (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.423725/)Numenor1379 (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.423725/post-6645661)
Dakron Nova (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.423725/post-6645175)Shadowdancer (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/distant-stars-fsd.392122/post-6160730)
Bryan K (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.423725/post-6645191)ebbrell (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/distant-stars-fsd.392122/post-6160782)
DMaster (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.423725/post-6645251)Varonica (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/distant-stars-fsd.392122/post-6162007)
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Daish (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.424339/post-6661615)Joe Spivey (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/mega-cruise.136157/post-2109228)
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rockwater (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.424339/post-6662685)Weps (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.423725/post-6646141)
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Tarman (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.423725/post-6648606)
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lokvette (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.423725/post-6648913)
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KellyR (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/in-system-jumps.423725/post-6650667)
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Ooo, my ears are burning, someone mentioned me?? :LOL:
 
I look at dxm55 post 17. I am impress on how many of topics are newcomers at the time when they posted and they stop posting after 2 or 3 times. I assume they Understood the logic of some players like my self and others and how to avoid long distance travel. I guess some players never get logic even if it bit them on the nose.

Oh it so lovely you taken up the Role Playing and now trying to change that.
 
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I look at dxm55 post 17.
You mean my post: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/jumping-to-sister-stars.517976/post-7912151

I am impress on how many of topics are newcomers at the time when they posted and they stop posting after 2 or 3 times.
But wait! Aren't you the one who said it was just the same small group of players supporting it over and over again Did you read any of the threads in those links? Did you see the arguments for and against? Did you see the variety of suggestions from a huge variety of players with a huge variety of in-game experience and ideas?

Why can't you accept that this is a popular topic for reason - people like the game generally, but dislike the boring super cruise mechanic.

I assume they Understood the logic of some players like my self and others and how to avoid long distance travel.
When you assume...

I guess some players never get logic even if it bit them on the ____.
The lack of self-awareness in that comment is incredible. Especially when compared to the quote immediately above this one.

Oh it so lovely you taken up the Role Playing and now trying to change that.
Sounds like the 'Suggestions' forum is the wrong place for you if you're opposed to so many suggestions for enhancing gameplay.
 
"hey so I want to not have to do this thing that I din't want to do"

"Ok, that's already available in game. Just don't go there. There are billions of other systems, thousands of stations. Just go to one which isn't an hour and a half away"

"but I want other people to not be able to do it too..."
 
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