Hey I preordered that! U in open?
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OP, what were you flying? My advice would be to take something fast to start your engineering, and go into the system with the mats to get your thrusters to G3 DD w/DD. When I went to Farseer a month ago to begin my engineering, I did just that. For the journey to the base, I outsmarted my adversaries in SC because evasive flying is the skill you should learn before offensive strategy. At one point I had a guy turning to interdict... So I opened throttle to max, and flew directly into the planet. That caught him off guard. Sometimes damage saves lives. I then flew the next 300 or so KM to Farseer's base in normal space. A little time consuming, but it saved my life. When I took off, I first selected a random hyperspace target, making sure it was above the base so I needn't enter SC. When I took off, that guy who tried to interdict me earlier was there, and began firing rails. But because I had my engines upgraded, I equalled his speed and he started out stationary. By the time he landed a hit, I was on the countdown.
Farseer space can be survived, but it takes strategy.
Farseer space can be survived, but it takes strategy.
Dude, I could really care less about gankers. I've been ganked several times and it doesn't bother me. I have over 1000 hours in this game and never "lost my mind" over anything. I'm too laid back to let most things bother me.
I've played with griefers in other games, like Red Dead Redemption, and when I'm playing in groups like that I usually walk out the door as quickly and quietly as possible. I have yet to run into one that was intelligent, and they certainly aren't "nice", at least when they are playing multiplayer games. From my experience they have an attitude. They get together to ruin the experience of other people online. They cuss and throw insults around like 12 year olds who just learned a new curse word, and 90% of the insults I hear them throw around are racist slurs. They are usually just obnoxious, toxic brats.
Do the people they grief overreact? Yes. Salt is what griefers thrive on. The way people rage when they get killed in competitive games can be obnoxious too, but when it comes to the source of the rage, I don't think we can start pretending players actively trying to ruin other's online experience aren't to blame.
We live in the age of the internet troll. It's fashionable to be a d***.
I'm not talking about people who just kill others online, or people who get into legitimate debates on social media. I'm talking about people who go out of their way to try and get someone to explode. People who relish taunting and demeaning others because they are in a virtual environment where there are no repercussions. I won't even get deep into the real world implications and why I think it needs to stop. Just turn on your television in America and you'll see how much damage public humiliation and online bullying have caused our society. I don't need to say anything about it. It's all over the news. People love talking about the "explosion", but no one is talking about the fuel that was used to create it.
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Well, at this point all the usual marks of a Ganker having run both out of PR and arguments show, plus the pitbull "can't stop replying despite having nothing to add" - type reflexes are observed.
Seen this classic pattern too often, so this will end here.
Keep doing what you're doing and supporting what you're supporting, everything has been said.
I am an armchair psyche. I'll admit it. It's one of my favorite activities online. I watch a lot of Dr. Phil. The Amanojaku in Japanese folklore is the demon who speaks the truth beside the tree. I observe, and I tell people my perspective... quite often things they don't want to hear. I did try to make it somewhat sarcastic though, but sarcasm is a dying art because no one appreciates it anymore.
I think the irony in threads like this is griefers go out of their way to make other people mad, and think it's quite humorous when they succeed. But then they get mad themselves when people don't appreciate/agree with the way they like to play the game. I'm not talking about you btw. I only insult people on an individual level when I get insulted first. Groups though? I laugh at the group mentality and rip it apart any chance I get. shrugs
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Da heck?
This is starting to look like goddamn satire.
Seems more like loggers trying to grasp at straws and derail the topic again in my opinion.
So heres the thing right. Some of us go out and attack random cmdrs, yes, which we are WELL allowed to do within the scope of the game and the ToS.
The issue is not noobs pulling a log, most of them wont because they have nothing to lose, it's mid to late game players abusing the timer to avoid deaths. Players which have hundreds of millions in desposable income, players which already have access to all the moneymaking schemes they could need or want and all the ships to go with that, and the engineering to boot. Players which know how to avoid trouble legitamately but instead choose to cheat the system because it's not scaled properly to the vessels they now have.
As has been pointed out several times, a noob ASP is unlikley to survive an encounter with one PvP fit vessel for 15seconds. Good luck trying to kill an engineered Cutter in 15seconds even with a full wing.
There is no justification for late game players to be able to cheat the system. Expecially when they know the deal. "Oh I'm jumping into shinrarta, maybe I'd better select an escape system and look at my comms panel just incase." Instead they just blindly jump into these systems thinking nothing of it, because hey, why would you when you can just skip out to the menu in 15 seconds and incurr no penalty, no risk and no cost amirite? The timer needs to be scaled by either rank or assets. Because as it stands its being abused by people who havent the emotional intelligence to take a loss and people who think they are getting one over on the player who attacked them.
Personally thats vastly more distasteful than PlasmaFDLMaNoWaR9000 going out and killing a few random players. At least thats within the game, not jumping out of it because the illusion of untouchable space cmdr is about to get shattered by a more talented pilot.
Increase the timer, by a huge margin, then you pretty much know, that as far as logging goes, if someone is taking damage in PvP then they "Disconnect" (HA) that they just force killed the task or pulled thier wire that makes it vastly easier to pull up these players and dish out appropriate punishments. IE: Log back in to rebuy screen.
The argument for "Oh I dc in combat all the time" is just tripe aswell. I've run entirely wireless internet for my entire time playing ED, most of that being with a phone hotspot (Surprisingly not to unstable a connection as far as lag goes), and in 30weeks total playtime I think I've dc'd in PvP combat maybe four times? Desynched a few too, but not very many actual disconnects AT ALL. So the punsihing the innocent argument wont wash here.
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What you have described is PvP combat. That's different from griefing. So again, I'll ask the question - how do you know griefing (or whatever you wish to call it) is intended? I can point you to a video of David Braben where he acknowledges it as a problem, thereby suggesting it is not intended.
I'm not interested in acknowledging childish insults. It's generally an indication that you have a very weak argument.
You can't really greif on ED at all in my opinion. You can kill other cmdrs, same as in many online games other players can be targeted, but seeing as we can't actually damage assets owned by cmdrs or even abuse the game mechanics all that significantly I don't think it really exists.
There is PvE and there is PvP, then that weird thing that the BGS is, PvEvP
PvP is intended, otherwise we would all have saftey flags and dont shoot at me buttons.
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Your opinion of not acknowledging something for what it is doesn't matter. Of course players can clog. Is it cheating? Maybe. Who cares, it's a game. If someone doesn't want to play with you they can switch the game off.
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If you combine unrelated Quotes from any sufficiently large Thread, I guess you can eventually create whatever you want.
This is starting to look like Sockpuppets jumping in to save the Day for Griefing - it's still a lost cause, since there's no need to.
Game hasn't changed in that respect since V1.0 and there's no indication it ever will.
Ramming people in slots, inviting people to your wing and killing them, sitting in a multicrew seat and purposely launching utilities or gunning randoms to get fines, making new accounts to kill noobs in starter systems and make them ragequit, among other things I can't think of right now.
Camping Shin or Deciat is fine. But you can definitely grief players in Elite.
We'll agree to disagree.
Personally I find these forums far more full of unpleasent tendancies than open play and its many denizens.
I'm relatively new here, but this is the kind of thread where the unpleasantness happens. lol
I realize my opinions can seem asinine, and I'm cool with people disagreeing with me.
Because its not the game that really needs all that mcuh change aside from a ban to flagrant cheating, including logging of any form.
It's the players that need to change thier attitudes.
You are playing a game with guns in it, you are going to get shot at by other players. Calling them greifers or whatever other tripe you can come up with at the time just points that maybe you are'nt the type of person who should be playing online games.
This game is not a PvP game, or a PvE game. It's both. Same as Titanfall was. Different game sure, same concept, or even GTA, or Rust or Ark. If thats so difficult for folks to stomach I suggest they curb thier masochistic tendancies.
You're welcome to your assinine opinions as am I, but it gets way to personal on here. I hate to say it, considering PvPers go round indescriminatley murdering players, they don't go round spouting crap like "sociopath" and "damaged" or trying to make out people were bullied as kids so they take it out in online games.
Sorry sonny, you dont get to call out "greifer" then run away because its "only a game". The two are mutually exclusive.
Bad excuse to justify a bad habit that.
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