What to do about Griefers

[Evil Flanker]

I like speeding for fun.

And you should pay the price when breaking the law goes wrong, whatever that might be. Enjoy Elite less than Hamless.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Sorry I don't see that when it comes to some aspects of ED gameplay, I opened a ticket on this very issue when I first encountered it myself, not knowing about speeding, after FD explained it to me it made sense. The exact same thing as this..

Other aspects would also include; piracy can never be optional and neither can some aspects of powerplay or flying in anachy systems, it's part of what mutliplayer and blazing your own trail where any player could become a deadly enemy is all about.

Indeed - if multi-player is ones preference.

For those who don't want an unrestricted multi-player experience, on the other hand, Frontier offer a number of options including the option to play in the complete absence of other players - all the while still experiencing and affecting the shared galaxy state, of course.

 

[Schmack]

I empathise with your experience. This game can be very bewildering at times. In addition, the Crime and Punishment in the game is woeful and laughable. So yes, one must be wholly reliant on oneself, especially in Open, which is actually a good thing.

Despite its many broken mechanisms, this game does have a lot to offer. The flight model is superb and takes thousands of hours to master. If you decide to stay in Solo or a Private Group you will be "safe". However, you will never experience the full extent of the flight model. One must tax and stress one's muscles in order to grow stronger. One must also be taxed flying one's spaceship in order for one to experience the full extent of the flight model's capabilities. And the most challenging and interesting stressors in game are your fellow humans. NPCs are not in the same league by a longshot.

Right now, choose the mode that makes you happiest and have the most fun. Perhaps when you get bored with Solo or PG, Open might be more fun for you.

Since credits are now much easier to attain and if you don't mind getting blown up, there is no reason to "git gud" either. Although the main enjoyment for me in this game is improving my combat skills, it certainly does not have to be yours. Don't let anyone, including myself, tell you what to do. Be free.

o7

Why should he listen to this?

 

[GonzTheMalificent]

MOBIUS OP!

 

[xzanfr]

I've just been killed by a Griefer and I was sent to jail for trying to run away and breaking the speed limit outside Jameson, whilst he was ramming me?!

If you're at Jamesons you're elite in something.
I appreciate that getting to elite is pretty easy however you must have achieved that status either in solo or by avoiding pvp, either way you know full well how to avoid this sort of interaction - simply avoid it in solo / pg or join in.
Moaning about it on the forums just brings up the same tired old arguments with no resolution and divides the players.

 

[Evil Flanker]

Indeed - if multi-player is ones preference.

If multplayer is not ones preference than why play in open, that makes no sense and when they do and abuses and exploits deliberately that conflict with the EULA 4.4 and affect other players multiplayer gameplay experience, then I have a problem with what is going on and I am not alone in thinking this way.

 

[Schmack]

Unfortunately there's no shared experience in Open that doesn't include the risk of experiencing some PvP, some childish griefing, some cheaters, some of anything another person decides to do in the game and use you as their content because you happened to be there. Though it would be nice to have a "most of the time" experience where you can exist without being griefed in busy systems because face it, a place like Shin should be so heavily policed that no one would dare murder, but it's the opposite... heavy traffic systems are the most ripe for murder and it's not because of population but popularity. Instead you have to find a private group if you want a real player experience that doesn't include the Fortnite crowd.

 

[Robert Maynard]

If multplayer is not ones preference than why play in open,

A good question - maybe it's because Private Groups don't share the unlimited potential population of Open.

that makes no sense and when they do and abuse and exploits conflict with the EULA 4.4 and affect other players multiplayer gameplay experience, then I have a problem with what is going on.

What "abuse" and "exploits" are you referring to that might be considered in contravention of EULA 4.4?

Quoted for reference;

4.4 You may not use the Game or any Online Features in a manner that could damage, disable, impair, overburden or compromise our systems or security or interfere with the experience of other users of the Game or any Online Feature.

 

[Evil Flanker]

Shin should be so heavily policed that no one would dare murder, but it's the opposite... heavy traffic systems are the most ripe for murder and it's not because of population but popularity. Instead you have to find a private group if you want a real player experience that doesn't include the Fortnite crowd.

Or possibly more emergent multiplayer gameplay for example Adels Armada in Eravate who defend the system, dagerous systems for me add to the interest and challegne of the multiplayer experience.

 

[Nadreck]

When using the Docking Computer, "not speeding" is not an option. Not unless you only activate it just in front of the mailslot, anyhow. The station-rammers have also been known to use various means to accelerate their victims beyond the speed limit, including rear-shunting and force-shells.

And as the saying goes, if we have to curb our lifestyles because of the threat of terrorism, "the terrorists have won". Same principle applies here. If you want to crawl around at below 100m/s going in and out of stations because you're scared of station-rammers, that's on you. There are other ways of solving that problem, including Solo/PG and the Block function. For me, arriving at a station gives me a chance to relax, play with the external camera, and admire the view. Because station-rammers don't exist in my galaxy.

 

[Evil Flanker]

What "abuse" and "exploits" are you referring to that might be considered in contravention of EULA 4.4?

Quoted for reference;

You dont have to quote it it's part of my signature, which should answer your question.

 

[Schmack]

Or possibly more emergent multiplayer gameplay for example Adels Armada in Eravate who defend the system, dagerous systems for me add to the interest and challegne of the multiplayer experience.

I'm totally cool with folks who PvP and consider all others as either friend or foe. I'm not so cool with the lulz/salt crowd with no in-game goal other than griefing unknown players.

 

[Robert Maynard]

You dont have to quote it it's part of my signature, which should answer your question.

Nope. That's why I asked.

 

[Schmack]

You dont have to quote it it's part of my signature, which should answer your question.

Engaging you in combat in a game where combat is a measuring stick isn't interfering in your experience. I'm pretty sure you're using a liberal interpretation of that clause, and that in reality it means something different than you're insinuating.

 

[Evil Flanker]

Nope. That's why I asked.

the answer is in my signature, I don't know how to make it more clear, sorry, I actually quote it, so...

and I believe making someone wanted when they are speeding and destroy something, is an intended gameplay feature and until its removed, then it's legitimate.

 

[Valorin]

No, I believe we are talking about ramming speeding ships at stations, no?

Why would you do that? What's the intention behind it and what do you gain from it?

 

[Evil Flanker]

Why would you do that? What's the intention behind it and what do you gain from it?

Me? - I've Not rammed anyone at a station in many years and only then testing, sorry I think you're confusing me with someone else. If you're asking why others do it, because they are blazing their trail and making deadly enemies, certainly makes the game more interesting and 'dangerous'

 

[TheSynopticVision]

Me? - I've Not rammed anyone at a station in many years, sorry I think you're confusing me with someone else. If you're asking why other do it, because they are blazing there trail and making deadly enemies.

bLazIng tHeIr trAiL!
iT's caLLed eLItE dAnGERous!
inTEnDEd gAMePlaY!
"oR jUst hUNt oThEr coMmANdeRS""

 

[Robert Maynard]

"oR jUst hUNt oThEr coMmANdeRS""

That last bit got removed a while ago from the elitedangerous.com advertising.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

I love how “change your style of play to suit mine” is equated to mean “get good”. Who divided by zero here?

Those who think PvP is the greatest thing since oxygen - good for you. Enjoy yourselves. Just remember for each of you there are at least as many people who think PvP sucks, and have the same respect for them as you would want them to have for you.

I happen to be one of them. I find PvP to be boring. I know, hard concept to grasp but it’s true, and here’s why:

You first start out and you suck at it. You lose 100% of the time. After a while, you suck less, and start to win from time to time. Eventually you learn how to min/max everything and actually “get good”, until you start to win 100% of the time, then what? Eventually people figure out you’re unstoppable and the thrill is gone, never to be regained. It’s boring. Maybe you get lucky and run into that one guy who hands you your a...ahhh... you know, and you have to put on your competitive face again. Maybe next time you’ll win. Maybe next time never comes. Maybe you have to accept you’re just not the best ever.

Also boring - you’re right back to day one - you suck again, and you’ll never be any better. What fun that is.

Or maybe you do manage a win, and cannot be defeated. Again, boring.

Then top that all off with the complete lack of any kind of gain from Elite PvP - not so much as a scrap of wreckage, and it’s both boring AND pointless.

But that’s my perspective, my experience, and it’s not going to change. You do your thing, it entertains you. I’ll do mine, it entertains me.

Perhaps you find what I do boring - that’s fine too. You don’t have to join me. I can’t force you to, just don’t force me to join you.