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[Video] Open letter from community to Elite Dangerous
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As far as insults go, that one is absolutely pathetic. A 6 year old could do better than that...
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@Gregg Rulz ok dude, it was rather weak. If you want to take a master class in the art of insulting people hit me up.
Given he has said he doesn't PvP or has specific goals, it was more of a description than an insult unless he has a lot of talent.
Nah, can't strech my legs here, rules are rules.
No no no, you can totally stretch your legs. Quit being prissy and just do it!
Lettuce?
Mate, I already got a doctorate!
I'm better than you in a space shooty game!
We need a jasonbarron vs WinterKing2112 rap battle.
Oh man, we're both gonna get done for flaming, again!
Meanwhile...this was originally about whether FDev fix their releases in a timeframe and manner that is considered professional by a reasonable person.
Here is the truth from 2016, yes 2016, already politely asking FDev to fix obvious game breaking bugs in PowerPlay, note that not only is Rubbernuke a funny bugga, but he is also respectful and most importantly, %100 correct https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/what-if-ww2-was-fought-using-powerplay-rules.253666/
You may also note that this request came after nearly a year already, so let us take that back to 2015, we are 2 months from 2020...
All of you who pretend that this game is fine because you don't like Power Play, or PVP or whatever play style it is that you don't care about or acknowledge, should just ask yourself if those of us complaining are being unreasonable in THIS instance.
Don't move the goal posts Stigbob, don't use your straw man tactics, don't pretend mocking others just because they don't play the game like you do is an actual counter point, don't pretend Power Play was not an official release, that came with a manual, that was incorrect, and don't try and pretend that nearly 5 years on it still has not been fixed, despite FDev having two focus groups that resulted in nothing.
Just answer the questions, have FDev given the Power Play players good reason to question the professional ethic of FDev, do they deserve a fix before the next cool thing that doesn't work comes along, are we really the ones being unreasonable here, if nearly 5 years on we are unreasonable, can you give us an amount of time we should wait before we are reasonable?
We now return you to our regular programming "Nothing to see here, everything is fine, people are just unreasonable"
Here is the truth from 2016, yes 2016, already politely asking FDev to fix obvious game breaking bugs in PowerPlay, note that not only is Rubbernuke a funny bugga, but he is also respectful and most importantly, %100 correct https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/what-if-ww2-was-fought-using-powerplay-rules.253666/
You may also note that this request came after nearly a year already, so let us take that back to 2015, we are 2 months from 2020...
All of you who pretend that this game is fine because you don't like Power Play, or PVP or whatever play style it is that you don't care about or acknowledge, should just ask yourself if those of us complaining are being unreasonable in THIS instance.
Don't move the goal posts Stigbob, don't use your straw man tactics, don't pretend mocking others just because they don't play the game like you do is an actual counter point, don't pretend Power Play was not an official release, that came with a manual, that was incorrect, and don't try and pretend that nearly 5 years on it still has not been fixed, despite FDev having two focus groups that resulted in nothing.
Just answer the questions, have FDev given the Power Play players good reason to question the professional ethic of FDev, do they deserve a fix before the next cool thing that doesn't work comes along, are we really the ones being unreasonable here, if nearly 5 years on we are unreasonable, can you give us an amount of time we should wait before we are reasonable?
We now return you to our regular programming "Nothing to see here, everything is fine, people are just unreasonable"
Wow, nicely said!
No. But what you describe are not the only problems, and as you say for some, there are none.
I don't Powerplay but I recognise that there are problems with it (some of which impact my own activities), I don't play to PvP but again I recognise there are issues. My game time hasn't been particularly impacted by bugs with the recent updates that others have described, again I don't seek to diminish those.
But there are other issues that do affect me, and for those Stigbob plays an excellent role as devils advocate. Rather than taking offence perhaps it would be worth considering whether s/he has a point, and if you think there is none not already addressed there is no need to respond at all if you feel you have already made your point.
You are addressing the room, publicly appealing to FDev, not to Stigbob.
Unless you just want to BTT a thread of course, in which case Stigbob (and others) are actually helping you
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I apologise if it came off that way, as I am very difficult to offend and actually find Stigbob amusing some of the time, luckily the pathological frequency of his posts allows for some funny ones as well.No. But what you describe are not the only problems, and as you say for some, there are none.
I don't Powerplay but I recognise that there are problems with it (some of which impact my own activities), I don't play to PvP but again I recognise there are issues. My game time hasn't been particularly impacted by bugs with the recent updates that others have described, again I don't seek to diminish those.
But there are other issues that do affect me, and for those Stigbob plays an excellent role as devils advocate. Rather than taking offence perhaps it would be worth considering whether s/he has a point, and if you think there is none not already addressed there is no need to respond at all if you feel you have already made your point.
You are addressing the room, publicly appealing to FDev, not to Stigbob.
Unless you just want to BTT a thread of course, in which case Stigbob (and others) are actually helping you
I use him as an example of the "nothing to see here crowd" because I think he can take it and is not an anorexic chef (can dish it out but refuses to eat it), and also because he is personally responsible for 50 of these pages
The point was that the time frame without a fix is beyond what a reasonable person would expect from a professional outfit, and indicative of a company culture that precipitated this petition. We are also not talking about a situation where FDev do not acknowledge the issue, they have years ago and had two focus groups and done nothing.
Power Play was an official release, FDev should contrast the facts with what Zac wrote in defence, and ask themselves if the two can exist in the same reality, nearly 5 years on.
Also if I have offended the Stig, I am happy to edit his name from the post.
I apologise if it came off that way, as I am very difficult to offend and actually find Stigbob amusing some of the time, luckily the pathological frequency of his posts allows for some funny ones as well.
I use him as an example of the "nothing to see here crowd" because I think he can take it and is not an anorexic chef (can dish it out but refuses to eat it), and also because he is personally responsible for 50 of these pages
The point was that the time frame without a fix is beyond what a reasonable person would expect from a professional outfit, and indicative of a company culture that precipitated this petition. We are also not talking about a situation where FDev do not acknowledge the issue, they have years ago and had two focus groups and done nothing.
Power Play was an official release, FDev should contrast the facts with what Zac wrote in defence, and ask themselves if the two can exist in the same reality, nearly 5 years on.
Also if I have offended the Stig, I am happy to edit his name from the post.
I have no doubt Stigbob will be happy to have gotten a rise out of someone, s/he is not the only one that behaves the way you describe.
Look at it this way. If all the Stigbobs of the world can throw at you is insults you know you have a pretty solid argument, because if there was a chink in your logic, Stigbob will find it
I understand that it's frustrating to have problems that are not addressed, but attacking others in the community won't help your cause. Like the ongoing problems with the game and design decisions (not even uncorrected mistakes) that simply defy reason, you just have to ignore the froth & simply state your case more clearly where any ambiguity or potential for mis-interpretation comes up.
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Thank you, that is good advice and well taken, my focus on Stigbob comes from the replies he has given to my own posts (well everyones...even his own..), I will let the discourse speak for itself as to whether my representation of it is unfair.I have no doubt Stigbob will be happy to have gotten a rise out of someone, s/he is not the only one that behaves the way you describe.
Look at it this way. If all the Stigbobs of the world can throw at you is insults you know you have a pretty solid argument, because if there was a chink in your logic, Stigbob will find it
I understand that it's frustrating to have problems that are not addressed, but attacking others in the community won't help your cause. Like the ongoing problems with the game and design decisions (not even uncorrected mistakes) that simply defy reason, you just have to ignore the frothy abuse & simply state your case more clearly where any ambiguity or potential for mis-interpretation comes up.
I completely agree with the fact that by bringing in individuals it dilutes the point, which should speak for itself, to a reasonable person
Consider it my attempt to distill the facts from the folly on this thread, and to get it back to whether FDev deserve the frustration and disappointment that so many are admonished for expressing in these forums.
Not to mention the funky shooting around the station without getting fined..I bet the whole specification for Space Legs was "we're gonna do the same trailer again - but this time we won't have the 'not in-game footage' subtitle". DO IT!
Lol, true dat. Done (not in a clive dunn way).