Hey Cmdr! Why don't you have a cool paint job?

Most simple solution.

If you don't like it, don't buy it, you have a choice you know.

Can we get back to Fleet Carriers now?

But that is the problem, because FD has given them (shock horror) free Arxs, these poor deluded people are now forced to buy cosmetics that mean absolutely nothing. They have no choice, they have no will power or self esteem. The sad thing is if FD didn't give us free Arxs (but still introduced them as a mechanism to purchase under a single 'currency' a goodly percentage of those complaining about getting free Arxs would be complaining about NOT getting free Arxs. Lets just face it, some here will complain about anything and everything even if they have to invent a problem to complain about!
 
But that is the problem, because FD has given them (shock horror) free Arxs, these poor deluded people are now forced to buy cosmetics that mean absolutely nothing. They have no choice, they have no will power or self esteem. The sad thing is if FD didn't give us free Arxs (but still introduced them as a mechanism to purchase under a single 'currency' a goodly percentage of those complaining about getting free Arxs would be complaining about NOT getting free Arxs. Lets just face it, some here will complain about anything and everything even if they have to invent a problem to complain about!
The problem is they dont like the game but stay here anyway just to have something to complain about
 
Do you even want to know the answer to the question you're asking?
You shouldnt talk about the game/complain about it if you dont play it.

Which is obvius because they changed the dreaded blue button a while ago, youre just to busy saying how bad the game is to notice
 
You shouldnt talk about the game/complain about it if you dont play it.

Which is obvius because they changed the dreaded blue button a while ago, youre just to busy saying how bad the game is to notice
Did I say ANYTHING about the Blue Button? *



* hint: nope
 
Sure does look like I poked the bear here a bit!

Let's clarify a couple things about this...

What this is NOT about:
  • Not getting things for free
  • Getting things for free, because that's... just silly.
  • Whether or not one is equipped with adequate self-control

What this IS about:
  • Charging a full AAA game price on a title that feels woefully not "feature complete" at launch, and then,
  • Charging nearly that price again for an "optional" - but lets be honest, pretty much required if you don't want to be hugely disadvantaged - DLC that adds those features that feel pretty central to the game, and then,
  • Charging more money still for cosmetics, which can only be purchased with real money, which is fine, since it's just aesthetic and no one has to buy them, but then,
  • Obscuring the real money cost of these micro-transactions with an arbitrary middle-man currency, and pushing it to the center of attention by claiming "just keep playing the way you always do, and you'll earn <enough to point out but still an ultimately negligible amount of> ARX!"

This sort of behavior has become commonplace in the game industry. Everywhere you look, there's controversy about the shady ways studios are digging every nickel and dime out of players that they can. Is Frontier free to engage in the same practices? Sure. And they should be called out for it accordingly, just like everyone else. That's all.
 
Sure does look like I poked the bear here a bit!

Let's clarify a couple things about this...

What this is NOT about:
  • Not getting things for free
  • Getting things for free, because that's... just silly.
  • Whether or not one is equipped with adequate self-control
What this IS about:
  • Charging a full AAA game price on a title that feels woefully not "feature complete" at launch, and then,

Cool, let's stop right there because that's not applicable here. It doesn't even make sense in the context of this game, so that's... just silly.

  • Charging nearly that price again for an "optional" - but lets be honest, pretty much required if you don't want to be hugely disadvantaged - DLC that adds those features that feel pretty central to the game, and then,

"Disadvantaged" at what? The most profitable practices in the game now are mining-related and don't require any engineering at all. The game doesn't need to be competitive. You're really reaching to put a "sinister" spin on the concept of additional content added to the game years down the road.

People complaining about DLC that's paywall-locked but available on release is completely different than DLC that is a large expansion on the original game release. The logical conclusion to your complaint here is to just never ever add anything to a game ever.

Let's circle back to that in a bit, though.

  • Charging more money still for cosmetics, which can only be purchased with real money, which is fine, since it's just aesthetic and no one has to buy them, but then,

Oop, they can't "only" be bought with real money, since you passively earn ARX. And while you mention this right after, you still offer this as though it's a valid point, and then contradict it immediately following. You're just picking small parts out of context whenever it's convenient.

  • Obscuring the real money cost of these micro-transactions with an arbitrary middle-man currency, and pushing it to the center of attention by claiming "just keep playing the way you always do, and you'll earn <enough to point out but still an ultimately negligible amount of> ARX!"

"Negligible" isn't the right word, since I've already gotten free cosmetics with my ARX, thus making them worth consideration.

Also we're not doing this argument again. We've done it to death. Your thoughts are not original and they are not new, but it is tiresome to bother responding to it without end. Every time somebody decides to recycle this, it doesn't suddenly become worth talking about again.

This sort of behavior has become commonplace in the game industry. Everywhere you look, there's controversy about the shady ways studios are digging every nickel and dime out of players that they can. Is Frontier free to engage in the same practices? Sure. And they should be called out for it accordingly, just like everyone else. That's all.

And let's circle back around to the oblivious nature of your complaints here, as promised above.

So here's a brief rundown of what you're railing against: DLC and Cosmetics. Now, let's try giving a little thought scary I know to how a game works. Are they going to continue to develop the game if, in the world that you want based on the complaints here, they cannot monetize additional content, substantial (DLC) or insubstantial (Cosmetics).

So the game comes out, and can never change. After all, development costs money, which the company is not allowed to get because you don't want them to. So that's it. Game comes out, that's the end. No growth, unless they decide to charge a subscription fee, which, as an example of "a company gets money", you would seem to absolutely declare morally bankrupt.

I know it must be hard, maybe the air's a bit thin up on that soap box you're perched atop, wagging your finger at those wicked game developers. But you clearly didn't think beyond "complaint", to the point of "consequences and reality".
 
Shouldnt you be crusading on games that ACTUALLY do that though ?
Fortnite
Csgo
Tf2
Basically any kiddoe game ?
It's not a crusade. I've played very few games in my adult life and certainly none that contain anything like ARX, so it just makes me uneasy to see those techniques creeping into the game, however innocuous. I remember being quite shocked when I discovered that FD were charging to change engine/weapon colors - shows how naive I'd become. :)
 
It's not a crusade. I've played very few games in my adult life and certainly none that contain anything like ARX,

Pearls in the Balck Desert Online Pearl Shop, you get free usable currency for just turning up each day, Turbine Points in Lotro, you can earn them doing deeds, ie by just playing the game, or purchase them using real money (shock horror, I know!) Gcoins in Atlantica Online, almost every MMO I have ever played has their own currency, most of them you can earn in game as well as purchase with real money, almost every mobile game does the same thing.

What I can say with certainty is that I have played ED since Horizons came out, that's 2015, 4 years ago, and apart from buying name plates for my ships I have not spent a single cent despite playing most days of the week for four years. I can't recall every actually playing any other game for four years, let alone without having to pay any money since my first, quite cheap, investment to continue playing.

Most MMO's, in fact, make it difficult to play without spending money. In LOTRO you have to continually spend to get new areas, and all the DLC's since Moria, I think there were 5, cost as much as AU$50+ each. In Atlantica Online the difficulty was made such that you needed to buy packs each month to remain competitive. All other MMO's, both major and minor design thier gameplay to drive people to the shop to spend real money. This is the way they nearly all work these days, ED is in fact the exception in that stuff you buy in the shop doeasn't give you an in game advantage and not buying stuff in the shop doesn't restrict your gameplay in any way.
 
If frequent a number of gaming forums and this is the most confusing one at times - boo hoo the game is giving me something for free - I must complain.

Not sure why it is that elite seems to attract some really strange people.
Maybe they misinterpeted the game-title. "I'm special! I'm Elite! So THIS game HAVE to suit MY likings! And if not...Boohooo...":sneaky:
 
Frankly I don't care. You haven't said anything worth reading and the fact that it's more reasonable to simply assume you don't even play the game says a lot about everything you don't bring to a conversation.
Haha good stuff. I think we can safely put each other on "ignore" at this point and nothing of value will be lost to either of us.
 
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