ANNOUNCEMENT Community Update (22/10)

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Eliza

Eliza
bigcee75 said:
I'm all for pushing back FC's to fix long standing bugs and new ones brought about by ARX and the September update, also this maybe insane but why not release FC as originally planned and spend next year before the paid update(which won't be delivered on time anyway) working on fixing problems, also why would/should each bug fix update take 3-4 months especially if they have as many people working on the game as they claim. This isn't me being salty just curious
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Okay People! Here we have a fellow who perfectly shows the difference between criticism and hyperboling. THIS fellow is asking the right questions. and THAT comes from one of your favorite "White Knights".

I'm all in with his/her questions. I too find it an oddly coincidence that the FC delay fits perfectly with the "Open-Letter-Initiative".

I know, it's tinfoiling, but worthy to discuss.
 
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Lucifera Danzig

Lucifera Danzig
Eliza said:
Okay People! Her we have a fellow who perfectly shows the difference between criticism and hyperboling. THIS fellow is asking the right questions. and THAT comes from one of your favorite "White Knights".

I'm all in with his/her questions. I too find it an odly coincidence that the FC delay fits perfectly with the "Open-Letter-Initiative".

I know, it's tinfoiling, but worthy to discuss.
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It can be viewed as "oddly coincidental," sure, but it can just as likely be a case of FDev sitting down, talking about the game and the petition, and someone in management asking, "Are we going the right direction? Should we regroup and try to get this under control?"

Does this excuse them entirely for letting it get out of control? No, not exactly. But is it commendable to recognize "We done goofed here" and try to make it right? Sure.

In the words of one of my favorite philosophers:
"When you screw up...admit it. Then FIX it. Then move on."

One of the biggest problems of having so many people working on a thing is that sometimes it's hard to get those epiphany moments where the big picture snaps into focus. Everyone individually SEEMS to be making progress and going the right direction, but then the big picture comes into focus and it's like, "Oh, geeze, what happened?"
 

avow555

avow555
Essentially Fdev just threw their dummy out of the pram in proper infant style!

Community got on their case about the quality of the work so they postpone this years big release in favour of bug fixing, lol.
Let me see Q2 2020 ends in June, so maybe the carriers will arrive then.

Gotta face it the game has officially been put out to pasture.
 

Sweet&Dandy

Sweet&Dandy
A lot of self righteous folks saying how it’s great that Frontier are stepping up and fixing bugs instead of releasing more buggy content... you are complete missing the point!

Frontier have been neglecting Elite for so long now and have been getting away with it whilst they build fun parks, dinosaurs and zoo parks!

Bring back Michael Brookes and the rest of the original team and stop the !

If there was ever anyone in doubt that this game has been in maintenance mode, then just open your eyes and look around!

The gloves are off now and I’m tired of the mismanagement. Those of us still around from day one have seen the game grow from its infancy and know it should be so much more than it currently is.

SO much more! Every new feature was released half finished...

Multi player
Planetary landings
Squadrons
CQC
Engineers
Powerplay

All half baked and yet we love the game so much that we accept it and try to justify it. Now Frontier turn around and say, because of you we will work on fixing bugs instead of actually releasing something the veteran players might actually enjoy. Surely you can see why we might be a little aggrieved? We waited and waited all year whilst new players got a better starting experience (that should’ve been there from the beginning), but now nothing!

I’m happy they are addressing the bugs, but to be applauded for it?

Translation... “our zoo game is done, our Dino game is done, and we realised the interns we tasked with building fleet carriers for the past two years Broke more than they fixed. We can’t release it as it’s a pile of poo and you guys for some reason aren’t happy with half finished, buggy messes anymore! I know let’s make this about you and not us! You asked and we listened! Yes that’ll keep the peasants from revolting for another year at least! Don’t forget to buy your ARX!

For shame Frontier and those buying into the deceit taking place. I’ve always supported Frontier financially, buying their other games to help support this one, but no more. I’m officially sick of it!
 

Eliza

Eliza
Terra6790 said:
keep hearing the same lame escuses this is getting really old! but hey no matter how many successful times you 'handle' us players the truth is this is still something that only works\recognises\helps\and is fun for your lil' private groups! truth is single players and small groups are ignored and handled in this "we understand and we're sorry" loop over and over! most good people left some are slowy giving up on the game(because some feathures arent working properly)!a game you still call a simulator...with alll the critical things you should consider adding to make this anythign close to a simulator(like realistic phisics laws, astrobodies, able to land on atmospheric worlds already, ETC) youre adding useless timewasting content that only worsens the bad bugs and rng conditions that are NOT fixed\worked in the game yet.. but off course these must only happen to some players because i've never seen any bugs or any of the repetitive crashes that i have on your damn vanity projects i mean livestreams! then again im a ps4 player so yeah - destined for the burnt bottom piece of the metaphorical cake in this company - but yeah thank you sooooooo much for your efforts frontier!
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Where exactly is stated that Elite: Dangerous is a SIMULATOR!!! Elite: Dangerous is a SciFi-Spaceship-Game. It never claimed to be a "simulator".
Why? A simulation is ALWAYS based upon already existing, real-world, data. Otherwise it's simply not a simulator but a speculation.

But hey...I'm curious: Could I get your velocity-sheet of FTL-Drives or the MJ-Output of a Prismatic Shield Device? The Mega-Newtons that a Plasma-Slug impacts upon a static object, like a spaceship?

THIS is a SIMULATOR!!!

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Eliza

Eliza
Lucifera Danzig said:
It can be viewed as "oddly coincidental," sure, but it can just as likely be a case of FDev sitting down, talking about the game and the petition, and someone in management asking, "Are we going the right direction? Should we regroup and try to get this under control?"

Does this excuse them entirely for letting it get out of control? No, not exactly. But is it commendable to recognize "We done goofed here" and try to make it right? Sure.

In the words of one of my favorite philosophers:
"When you screw up...admit it. Then FIX it. Then move on."

One of the biggest problems of having so many people working on a thing is that sometimes it's hard to get those epiphany moments where the big picture snaps into focus. Everyone individually SEEMS to be making progress and going the right direction, but then the big picture comes into focus and it's like, "Oh, geeze, what happened?"
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Unfortunatly that's true. That's the elephant in the room, that people "in charge" do know NULL about the product they sell AT ALL. Also it's very sad to see, that it NEEDS an Outrage Open-Letter to accomplish "mind-changing", after "we" pointed our fingers right into the very open wound, regarding Elite, many many times over the last year(s). *Reminds me somehow of "Fridays For Future"

We can only hope, that they really got their heads together and that this current announcement is not just another "politcal correct" try to empease the masses, like so many PR-specialists and politicians practice every day.

So: "There's STILL hope in this one" points at herself
 

Commander William Diffin

Commander William Diffin
Morbad said:
The profoundly mentally aren't going to be offended by a statement they can neither read nor comprehend.
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That does not make it acceptable to abuse them.

Morbad said:
I do feel that someone who has played the game for any length of time would have to be intellectually disabled in some appreciable manner to not notice at least one aspect of the game that that appeared to be behaving contrary to design.
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Which demonstrates that your imagination is limited only to those possibilities which afford you opportunities to abuse defenceless people.

Morbad said:
Better call 911/999/112. There's a speech criminal on the lose!
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Maybe I will. Respect for the defenceless is a fundamental British value, explicitly promoted as such in all British schools as official Government policy, and in the UK people like you are often prosecuted for speech crime.
 

Commander William Diffin

Commander William Diffin
Eliza said:
Take a look at the Issue Tracker.

Issue Tracker

issues.frontierstore.net issues.frontierstore.net
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StuartGT said:
Relevant links regarded reported bugs:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/september-update-known-issues.522203
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/september-update-bugs-master-list.522131
https://issues.frontierstore.net/reported-issues/elite-dangerous
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Commander Diffin said:
Thank you. That's all I wanted to know. I wasn't going to trawl through the Reported Issues myself to find out what bugs the announcement is referring to; I'm not responsible for fixing them so there would have been no point.
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Eliza

Eliza
@Lucifera Danzig

"Lost my path" in my last reply. ;)

To get to the point: In my opinion, it's an odd coincidence, that the delay of the FC-Release is reffered to the community shoutout. The questions here are (purely speculative):

If the Open Letter didn't came up, would FDev stuck to their Release Announcement THIS December?
And if: Why? Although what we seem to know now, the release would be as messy as the September bugdate?
And if not: Why not? Wich justification would have FDev pulled out of their hat instead?

These are the questions I'm asking myself.:unsure:
 
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Viajero

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Viajero
Oldviboy said:
being fair ,if you think that there are players who have up to 3 or 4 different accounts, the player base is not very impressive,there are only many accounts, no players
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I was discussing concurrency numbers. Do you know many players with multiple accounts that also have them always concurrently active and running while they play?
 

Lucifera Danzig

Lucifera Danzig
Eliza said:
@Lucifera Danzig

"Lost my path" in my last reply. ;)

To get to the point: In my opinion, it's an odd coincidence, that the delay of the FC-Release is reffered to the community shoutout. The questions here are (purely speculative):

If the Open Letter didn't came up, would FDev stuck to their Release Announcement THIS December?
And if: Why? Although what we seem to know now, the release would be as messy as the September bugdate?
And if not: Why not? Wich justification would have FDev pulled out of their hat instead?

These are the questions I'm asking myself.:unsure:
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A month and then some would have been time for a lot of development still. Would it have been enough to avoid bugs in the carriers? Unknown, and realistically probably not. But pulling people off that for all-hands-on-deck bug squashing would prevent it from releasing, I think.
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Viajero
Winter Jasra said:
Well at least you've put your big pants on now and acknowledged that there are bugs in the game, instead of trying to mask an opinion of "bug ridden mess" with statistics of how well the game has done. No one here is disputing that Elite Dangerous is/was a great game, but don't you want it to get better?
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I don’t think I have ever stated that there are no bugs in the game. And I think there are probably very few people here that wouldn’t want the game to become better.

The point all along is that using the expression “bug ridden mess” to describe Elite (given the actual positive data out there over 5 years about player concurrency or sales, for example) seems a bit of a gratuitous hyperbole to start with and especially if we want to constructively help the game become better.
 
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