Could or should Frontier enhance the FSS or add in and incorporate an optional ADS-like expansion module?

[Bryan K]

Yes,

You didnt actually counter anything i said tho did you? Looking back, do you feel like the changes made to exploration specifically the FSS really made the game better or increased its longevity? Answer honestly, no silly business about salt. Imo it just doesnt look good. How the hell did it manage to get in game like that with most of the players having no warning at all? Debacle is the word. Its been made so much worse by the refusal to budge over it aswell.

Edit: Its a fair critisism to say i have been vocal about it tho. But if i remember right when people first started to complain about it some forum perticipants responded by trying to shout them down and make it a non issue and everybody should just shut up and go away was kind of the impression i got. Thats bullying. Made it easy to be persistant knowing you have the moral high ground

I honestly believe the FSS has improved the game significantly. There’s now actual gameplay involved to map out a system, with a slick interface and new visual effects. It looks more like an actual feature now, rather than an antiquated afterthought. It also tries to mimic actual astronomy in some respects, which makes it more appealing to me personally.

Also, for the record, anyone who insults the developers as much as you have over the past year definitely doesn’t have the moral high ground.

 

[Burke]

I realise it was the wrong question now. You are entitled to enjoy it of course. But its forcing everybody to use it that is the problem.

 

[Burke]

anyone who insults the developers as much as you have over the past year definitely doesn’t have the moral high ground.

Im having to suffer the consequences of somebodys incompetence so yeah not really very amused. Apparently i wasnt rude enough to get myself banned.

 

[Bryan K]

Im having to suffer the consequences of somebodys incompetence so yeah not really very amused. Apparently i wasnt rude enough to get myself banned.

It may not be for you, but that doesn’t make it incompetence.

You can always play something else...

 

[Burke]

It may not be for you, but that doesn’t make it incompetence.

You can always play something else...

If it was just me the rest of the game wouldnt be falling apart.

 

[Bryan K]

If it was just me the rest of the game wouldnt be falling apart.

Has nothing to do with the FSS though, and has everything to do with the last update forking everything up.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

If it was just me the rest of the game wouldnt be falling apart.

The rest of the game isn't falling apart though. Sure it has some bugs, but that doesn't mean its falling apart. I have only had one crash that's been caused by the game this year so far.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

How did you make this year long saga sound sadder than it already is? I'm weeping, i only thought it was this bad.

Uhm ... well, I was mainly just trying to nuance the FSS hater impression a little. Since ... I don't hate the FSS. Just the frequency of use

I think at the time we were so gobsmacked at being told to shut up further in that post we never considered the possible redacted for politeness of this claim.

Oh, there was plenty of grumbling. The grumbling already started by FDev postponing the Exploration Focused Feedback Cycle, then abandoning it. It increased when the implications became clear. And many of the dedicated explorers have indeed moved to other parts of the game, or stopped playing altogether.

And nothing will be done about it, because .,.. FDev doesn't give a rats about exploration. Never had, never will. Exploration was deemed solid for 4 years. They are sure to deem the current iteration as solid. Exploration is a bother in their eyes, which in their book they have dealt with. And that's our lot. Don't like the current mechanics, tough. Find another activity in Elite or another game, because hoping an ADS style of functionality will be re-introduced is just futile. All these discussions are academic. None of what anyone posts here has any influence. FDev doesn't want exploration feedback. They don't care about possible solutions. They made that clear canceling the Exploration Focused Feedback Cycle.


Marx has provided a couple of disheartening statistics about the status of exploration at the current moment. And more subjectively, the exploration section of the forum doesn't seem as vibrant as it once was. And you know what?

No one cares.


And fellers, when a troll states his intentions clearly as this

I’m mainly here for the salt

Don't feed it.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

I imagine a system where you pop a scan to identify stuff you want then to further investigate is what I'd like best. I imagine a scan like ADS to reveal planetary bodies and unlock PoIs to then investigate. Don't know how it is now - what I've been reading how it now works hasn't been clear - my impression was that you still can use the ADS like you could back then and then use FSS to do the finer scans - which sounds fine for me.

 

[Zieman]

I imagine a system where you pop a scan to identify stuff you want then to further investigate is what I'd like best. I imagine a scan like ADS to reveal planetary bodies and unlock PoIs to then investigate. Don't know how it is now - what I've been reading how it now works hasn't been clear - my impression was that you still can use the ADS like you could back then and then use FSS to do the finer scans - which sounds fine for me.

FSS honk populates nav panel, HUD & system map ONLY IF someone has already scanned the system bodies (old ADS or new FSS or they be known to all).
In an unexplored system the FSS honk adds only stellar bodies, all others you have to manually resolve inside FSS minigame.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

FSS honk populates nav panel, HUD & system map ONLY IF someone has already scanned the system bodies (old ADS or new FSS or they be known to all).
In an unexplored system the FSS honk adds only stellar bodies, all others you have to manually resolve inside FSS minigame.

I see. Well, I can see how having to do the minigame for getting a basic map of the system isn't so popular. I'd prefer a complete reveal, but I don't have a clue how much would be left to do the fine FSS scans then. As long as there is still enough to find with the FSS it would be fine.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Why calling for another equipment though? I'd unify broad scan (ADS) and fine analysis just in one.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I see. Well, I can see how having to do the minigame for getting a basic map of the system isn't so popular. I'd prefer a complete reveal, but I don't have a clue how much would be left to do the fine FSS scans then. As long as there is still enough to find with the FSS it would be fine.

Having a full system reveal would make the FSS pretty much redundant for me. I enjoy finding out how the system is layed out myself. I never liked having it handed to me on a plate.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I see. Well, I can see how having to do the minigame for getting a basic map of the system isn't so popular. I'd prefer a complete reveal, but I don't have a clue how much would be left to do the fine FSS scans then. As long as there is still enough to find with the FSS it would be fine.

If the system map that is revealed is at it's most basic, you still need the FSS to lock the planets to their positions and to reveal their specifics.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Having a full system reveal would make the FSS pretty much redundant for me. I enjoy finding out how the system is layed out myself. I never liked having it handed to me on a plate.

But you've only ever got that post beyond in the orrey view. That's never been available before apart from really obtuse visual methods like flying above the orbital plane.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Oh, there was plenty of grumbling. The grumbling already started by FDev postponing the Exploration Focused Feedback Cycle, then abandoning it. It increased when the implications became clear. And many of the dedicated explorers have indeed moved to other parts of the game, or stopped playing altogether.

Thanks of the backstory. My tale is far more noobish.. for months before beyond i had slowly and steadily become ready for endgame.. ie exploration. Many things not done but it was feeling right, especially with all my anchors in the bubble that i liked getting nerfed or homogenised or directly shut down (mission stacking).. it was getting good to go. Was going through the rituals, did some sample runs tried different ships (an impossible decision once you have access to all). I had settled on the pilots mode for complete happiness, exploring completely ignoring the system map. Honk, nav panel, target and be in space. The joy comes from seeing a body you have not seen before grow in front of you.. that was the whole point.. to go exploring.. to visit places for the first time and stamp your name there. How could anything else.... nevermind. Then the fss came out and it was complete dismay because that is not supported at all. Worse is, what it does support is infuriating, and why it can't support that equally so.

Anyways. So that exploration account (forum name) once again returned to the bubble to take a clipper.. for the second time. Im convinced this is the ship. Its the clipper or the type 7, there's nothing else. To back up this, i have 2 other accounts on pc representing the interesting large ships and small ships by chance so its a safe bet. No blowing up home exploration be damned because its not a type-9 ever again.

Finally to add now. I think pico commander when snarking at me the other day dropped a hint that its possible to not see the visual spoiler if you were "skilled" enough. I get why he didn't say much, its a hack of a solution and a slap in the face to the fss, but it is possible definitely, and the fss becomes just an exercise in populating the nav panel. Encouraging as i haven't given up yet. Also i really really really hate to admit, one of max factors tricks also works, if you focus on the credit rewards from mapping, you can get over the fact that the fss click spoiled all the rewards.

And just when i was going to buy a ship kit because after years of persisting though that shouldnt be so hard, i finally work it out, fronter go and make a pr release stating they are late for carriers but we asked for it and they're doing us a favor and they are perfect because thats the most important thing. Deceitfully snakeoiling us. Can't win with this mob

Hey thats it.. like they said on one of the jurassic parks.. the difference here is between astronomers and astronauts. Looking at everything differently.

 

[babelfisch]

And nothing will be done about it, because .,.. FDev doesn't give a rats about exploration. Never had, never will. Exploration was deemed solid for 4 years. They are sure to deem the current iteration as solid. Exploration is a bother in their eyes, which in their book they have dealt with. And that's our lot. Don't like the current mechanics, tough. Find another activity in Elite or another game, because hoping an ADS style of functionality will be re-introduced is just futile. All these discussions are academic. None of what anyone posts here has any influence. FDev doesn't want exploration feedback. They don't care about possible solutions. They made that clear canceling the Exploration Focused Feedback Cycle.

I don't think that's entirely fair. First, exploration got several tools, mechanics and improvements. Improved route plotting, engineering, Guardian FSD booster, maintenance stuff, the codex, several dozen surface and stellar phenomena, exploration outposts, tweaks to payouts, neutron star FSD booster, a complete overhaul and surface mapping with probes. That's hardly nothing, even if some people don't like it.
Also it's kind of contradictory to claim they didn't do anything for exploration in 4 years when your biggest gripe is that exploration isn't like it was 4 years ago anymore.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I don't think that's entirely fair. First, exploration got several tools, mechanics and improvements. Improved route plotting, engineering, Guardian FSD booster, maintenance stuff, the codex, several dozen surface and stellar phenomena, exploration outposts, tweaks to payouts, neutron star FSD booster, a complete overhaul and surface mapping with probes. That's hardly nothing, even if some people don't like it.

I'm not going through the list, but many of it is an upgrade across the boards. Like FSD boosters. (maintenance stuff!)

Meanwhile consider this:
https://elitedangerous2016.wordpress.com/2018/05/02/focused-feedback-forums-livestreams/

And then consider this:

Then tell me how important exploration is to Frontier.

Also it's kind of contradictory to claim they didn't do anything for exploration in 4 years when your biggest gripe is that exploration isn't like it was 4 years ago anymore.

My biggest gripe is not that exploration isn't like 4 years ago. My biggest gripe is that they removed a module that provides me with information I need to enjoy exploring.

Again, I actually like the FSS mechanics, I actually like being able to locate POIs, I actually like the probe solution.

Again, because it seems I need to state this over and over and over again , my biggest gripe is not the additions, it's the subtraction.

edit: By the way, my claim is also they don't care about exploration ("FDev doesn't give a rats about exploration "). I wouldn't claim they didn't do anything for exploration. So, please, get that right as well

 

[Sunyavadin]

the difference here is between astronomers and astronauts. Looking at everything differently.

Pretty sure at this point that some of the devs are coming at this from the perspective of astrologers XD

Again, I actually like the FSS mechanics, I actually like being able to locate POIs, I actually like the probe solution.

I'm sure somebody preferred eyeballing PoIs. But they can still do that, by not fitting a DSS and backing out of the FSS the moment they detect the planet.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

But you've only ever got that post beyond in the orrey view. That's never been available before apart from really obtuse visual methods like flying above the orbital plane.

What has the orrery got to do with it.