Feature Focus: Restrooms

No, no one will leave a restaurant, but people will also not go into a restaurant and buy something, just to use the bathroom... Considering how many people visit the parks, it would be ridiculous not to have independent toilets... You get that in all amusement parks worldwide and at big events like sports games etc. You can't have 1000 people waiting to use the restaurant bathroom. Lol

Why do you think they would be required to buy something from a restaurant inside of a park they already paid to enter just to use the bathroom? They are already customers. They already bought something, access to the park. These are not stores, shops or business on the side of a road some where. Also I have never seen a business refuse to let someone use the bathroom unless they buy something. I know they exist but I have never experienced it myself. Like I said another post, in the US you can literally walk into any McDonalds and use the bathroom. Most businesses in the US allow this because people will often buy something when they stop in to use the bathrooms.

So if you follow the games design and how the game expects you to build a park when you place down a view gallery, tower, gyrosphere or anything else you also have to fill the guests needs for food, drinks, fun, shopping and entertainment. So you have a viewing gallery with bathroom access that guests are entering and leaving and then you have all these other guest buildings that also have bathrooms. So I find it hard to believe that people would be lining up by the thousands to use a bathroom when there are so many chances to use a bathroom.
 
Restrooms are already seen in the viewing galleries. Will this be acknowledged in the update?

What is there to acknowledge? :LOL: There's always gotta be that one nit-picky person who's never happy...what a weird thing to nit-pick about too, those are just decor/for show...just pretend they are real if it bothers you that much, and use the actual ones coming out in the update to satisfy your guests.
 
Also, I really, really hope we can use JP era buildings alongside JW buildings. I was looking forward to that, and will be really disappointed if they have to stay in their own era settings..
 
What is there to acknowledge? :LOL: There's always gotta be that one nit-picky person who's never happy...what a weird thing to nit-pick about too, those are just decor/for show...just pretend they are real if it bothers you that much, and use the actual ones coming out in the update to satisfy your guests.
I think it's quite ignorant to pass this this clearly defined restroom as nothing but a prop.
It's a break in consistency. Why would these restrooms not accommodate for the restroom need?
 
The homage to the JP workers is a nice touch. The thatched roofs, I'm feelin it. I just hope now that Brachiosaurus can eat from the top of trees that in addition it will be able to rear up on it's hind legs. I know that was featured in the very first trailer.
 
The homage to the JP workers is a nice touch. The thatched roofs, I'm feelin it. I just hope now that Brachiosaurus can eat from the top of trees that in addition it will be able to rear up on it's hind legs. I know that was featured in the very first trailer.

They said he's like, grazing but not actually being fed by that
 
Why do you think they would be required to buy something from a restaurant inside of a park they already paid to enter just to use the bathroom? They are already customers. They already bought something, access to the park. These are not stores, shops or business on the side of a road some where. Also I have never seen a business refuse to let someone use the bathroom unless they buy something. I know they exist but I have never experienced it myself. Like I said another post, in the US you can literally walk into any McDonalds and use the bathroom. Most businesses in the US allow this because people will often buy something when they stop in to use the bathrooms.

So if you follow the games design and how the game expects you to build a park when you place down a view gallery, tower, gyrosphere or anything else you also have to fill the guests needs for food, drinks, fun, shopping and entertainment. So you have a viewing gallery with bathroom access that guests are entering and leaving and then you have all these other guest buildings that also have bathrooms. So I find it hard to believe that people would be lining up by the thousands to use a bathroom when there are so many chances to use a bathroom.

Well in most amusement parks in Europe etc, the stores inside are regular stores that doesn't belong to the park owner. They rent the locations and run their business. Like we see Pandora in the movie, which is a seperate company that has nothing to do with JW. And in Europe you can usually never use the bathroom unless you buy something from the store. That's totally normal. I've encountered this over a 100 times in my life. McDonalds have codes on the bathroom doors in Europe you can only obtain on the receipt after a purchase. I know it's different in the states, but most things are. US has its own rules regarding everything. Haha. Sports etc. But you still have thousands of visitors and 2 toilets in a viewing gallery will def not be enough. I don't like to use space on the toilets at all, but it makes perfectly good sense, that you have to add them. They also add toilets outside of sports stadiums for example. Even though the stadium might have 50 of them...
 
So we have to place the restrooms like we the other buildings in the game. An actual system I don't care for. I have never really liked how that is handled.

This is the problem I have always seen with restrooms and why I thought they weren't needed. So you build an enclosure with dinosaurs. The you have to build a something for fun, drinks, food and so on near the viewing galleries otherwise your park rating won't go up. So now you have to place down a bathroom. A bathroom in the same vicinity of buildings that already have bathrooms in them.

Does no one see the issue? What kind of Restaurant or bowling alley wouldn't have a bathroom in it? Also the viewing galleries already had bathrooms in them. They had a sign on the entrance indicating this.

I know Frontier is just adding the bathrooms in cause people keep asking for them and they want to give people what they want. But I feel like no has really thought about this and how it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

The bathrooms will most likely be free as well. This isn't like Rollercoaster Tycoon where you could put extra salt on your French fries which would make people drink more and need to use the bathroom more often. I have never been in an amusement park that charged to use the bathroom. Matter of fact I would find that to be a really scummy thing to do. Considering getting into those kind of places isn't cheap the bathroom should be free. That's the one good thing about this bathroom addition to game.

No one is going to get up and leave a restaurant or whatever else to use a bathroom outside of the place.

Otherwise I like the looks of the JP bathroom and I will use them in the game. When I do play the JW part of the game I will probably place the bathrooms down anyway cause it just adds a new building. But then again it also takes up space.

Not being able to mix up the building styles doesn't bother me that much cause as I said before I won't be playing the JW side of the game much after the JP DLC is released. But being able to mix up the different dinosaur designs will be nice. Cause I actually like the designs of the JW dinosaurs as well. I just like dinosaurs in general. lol
It is true that buildings such as a restaurant or a fast food joint would have bathrooms of their own, and I believe that those buildings should (partially) contribute to the guests' toilet needs. However, especially for a theme park as large as Jurassic World, it would be a poor decision from a park design standpoint to not include dedicated restroom buildings.

Yes, "no one is going to get up and leave a restaurant to use a bathroom outside of the place," but what about all of the guests not in the restaurant or otherwise wandering the park? It would be much more efficient for them to find a dedicated restroom building than having to navigate their way through a restaurant to find the restroom. Additionally, buildings like restaurants would be way too cluttered if there was constantly a line of guests going through the restaurant to use the restroom, guests that aren't even eating at the restaurant.

The point is, the guest facilities we already have in the game do already have restrooms, but they're not meant to be used as restrooms. That's not their primary function. I know the guest management in JWE isn't nearly as in depth as what I'm describing, but I still like to attempt to design my parks as realistically as possible.
 
Just to put things into perspective, San Diego zoo which has around 8000 visitors per day on average, has over 10x dedicated restrooms as part of its guest facilities. Seems a rough ballpark figure for something like Jurassic World.
 
No one is saying the parks don't need Restrooms at all. The problem is a building like a restaurant requiring a restroom near it when it already has one. The guests walking around the park would need restrooms, but not the buildings themselves.
 
No one is saying the parks don't need Restrooms at all. The problem is a building like a restaurant requiring a restroom near it when it already has one. The guests walking around the park would need restrooms, but not the buildings themselves.
Most zoos, museums, theme parks, and other places have restrooms near those locations as well, mainly because it's where people seem to be in larger numbers
 
I honestly don't care about the rest room mechanics, I just like them because it's another building to add to a game that needed new buildings.
I agree, to be honest I really thought we would have 10 new guest buildings. I thought we would get 1 new building with each dino pack, and 3 new buildings with each major DLC.
 
Most zoos, museums, theme parks, and other places have restrooms near those locations as well, mainly because it's where people seem to be in larger numbers

That's part of the problem with the poor design of this games "management" system though. Because the guests are visual only and all the management figures are just calculations there isn't actually any way to figure out what the true needs are. The game instead would most likely be basing it off of a calculated building need

It's definitely a valid argument that there is likely to be more people around all the shopping areas and therefore you'd need additional toilets there, however because the measurement comes from the buildings instead of from crowd stats this would mean that you'd be required to put restrooms in very unneeded locations

As an example, lets say you're on Sorna and you put all the hotels, shops and 5 dino exhibits as close to the entrance as possible. That would then drive a need to put a restroom down as it should - you'll have a massive number of guests in that location. But now lets say you send a monorail all the way to the bottom right side of the park, and you stick a small exhibit with a single viewing tower down there. Now how many guests will legit be there? Not enough to mean that you'd need dedicated toilets alongside the viewing tower toilets, and the restaurant toilets, and the arcade toilets, and the shop toilets etc. Because you've built a viewing platform the game forces you to put down all buildings near it because it determines it's needs off the viewing tower, not the guests

Were things guest driven I doubt we'd even be having this much discussion on things like this
 
I was under the impression if you had a monorail station at an exhibit with no shops or stalls near it but another monorail station did have a bunch of stalls and shops near it, then that would count as having the shops and stalls near the exhibit since they are all directly connected via the monorail.
 
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