Star Citizen Discussion Thread v11
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Explain to me what did I mis interpret. As far as I understood he talked about game features that they are planning to add after release gradually as updates? So please explain what did I misunderstand for the love of god XD
Literally scroll up on read the post Golot posted says the same exact god dang thing. I have no idea what you problem is. You seem to really want to prove something and beat people at things. Your first response to everything is shutting it down without fully understanding what people are even talking about. Goes to show your narrow perspectives.
If after reading Golgots post you still claim that these things are misinterpreted then you truly are a brick wall sir.
Original statement was to a guy who said that NMS and ED were clean I just said no they all have sold game with promises, but of course SC is the biggest offender. But painting NMS and ED as saints is also wrong that's all. Now you have spent a couple of posts saying how Braben didn't state that, how I have misinterpeted and quote mined him. Well feast your eyes on the newsletters that a kind forum poster has found.
So I do feel quite offended that you have been calling me a liar and saying I made up all those statements when they are clearly in newsletters as well. That's why it really seems you are attacking me, when you refuse to accept objective reality of the videos and newsletters. Please move the goalpost now find another logical fallacy anywhere to prove yourself victorious.
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Viajero
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So memory seems quite clear I can watch that video 50 more times and I will still understand the same thing from his statements
Only thing what happened was that I was proven right. People were calling other people blind fanboys while they are exactly the same thing.
There is a very significant difference, unlike SC or NMS promises, ED has neither charged nor sold to the market space legs or atmospheric worlds for money yet. NMS at least has made good on most of its initially unfulfilled promises after time for free, but SC has not even shipped a single product yet.
SC has charged the whole customer base, still is, at full price for all those promises. 250+ millions so far and counting, with zero shipped product to show for it after 8 years.
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Nah, you’re moving the goalposts here mate. You initially drew a direct parallel between ED and SC. You’ve only started suggesting SC is more extreme in recent posts having been knocked around a bit.
You also came into the thread with your fists swinging and calling others who disagreed with your very flakey point ”slow”. You’re not really sitting on the high ground
Exactly so when the company goes under then we can say for certain. Yes ED did market space legs for money for people who bought alpha and got the season pass because of the advertised future content they will add, so the season pass was sold on those promises. Alpha and Premium Beta customers, and those who have already bought the £35 expansion pass alongside either Beta or the full game, will have access to all these features and updates for as long as we create them at no further cost. Also saying SC hasn't delivered space legs or anything else isn't exactly true.
My goalpost was SC, NMS and ED have all promised something and not yet delivered, so we can only conclude that all of them haven't delivered when the games development has stopped. Hopefully they will all deliver all that they promised. NMS basically already has, being the poster child for redemption.Nah, you’re moving the goalposts here mate. You initially drew a direct parallel between ED and SC. You’ve only started suggesting SC is more extreme in recent posts having been knocked around a bit.
You also came into the thread with your fists swinging and calling others who disagreed with your very flakey point ”slow”. You’re not really sitting on the high ground
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No, you are still wrong in thinking its is the same, on many fronts.
First the LTE, was sold to a very, very limited number of the overall ED population. SC on the other hand has sold the complete set of promises to the complete totality of its customers.
The LTE was also sold in a very limited and finite time window, whereas the SC promises have been sold for 8 years, and are still being sold with no signs of stopping any time soon.
Elite has delivered one of its post release DLC already: Horizons, and there are no signs it plans to stop there.CIG has not delivered a single product yet, and there are plenty of worrying signs it will deliver, if at all, something very far from what it promised.
Most importantly the LTE pass does not include space legs or atmospheric planets in its product description. Indeed the LTE was sold without any guarantees and on the basis of FDEV view about the viability of the product. Whereas SC made promises on the basis of very specific and quantifiable stretch goals that have been met (5 times over) and therefore have created a direct commercial and financial commitment to deliver them.
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Yes and when SC fails then we can be certain but so far they are slowly moving along... very slowly.
And in an undefined direction
Source: http://reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/ef9an8/updated_legatus_pack_35k_big_savings/
Sort out your pledging now, or something
Sort out your pledging now, or something
Yeah that was your initial position. You then sensibly accepted that there are a few key aspects which make SC worse. Key amongst them being the perpetual dream monetising.
It’s a shame to see you return to this overly-reductionist parity stance of ‘they all made undelivered promises’, which cuts out so much pertinent detail.
Details such as... today’s new $35,000 Legatus pack...
LEP marketing says otherwise man. (£35 is a snip though right
. £130 in 2015 could be seen as more snippy though...). Atmos are hedged at but Legs are writ large.Still doesn’t even touch the sides of CIG’s lucky dip barrel of pre-sales though
. And that’d be the point in this thread. (We can argue about it some time in DD if you like )—
Merry Xmas to SC addicts of all stripes
. Let us all marvel at whatever they do in 2020 So 35k pack nobody is forcing anyone to buy it. Hopefully there are fools who will buy it meaning that the game will keep getting funded and that ambitious project might get finished.Yeah that was your initial position. You then sensibly accepted that there are a few key aspects which make SC worse. Key amongst them being the perpetual dream monetising.
It’s a shame to see you return to this overly-reductionist parity stance of ‘they all made undelivered promises’, which cuts out so much pertinent detail.
Details such as... today’s new $35,000 Legatus pack...
LEP marketing says otherwise man. (£35 is a snip though right
Still doesn’t even touch the sides of CIG’s lucky dip barrel of pre-sales though
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Merry Xmas to SC addicts of all stripes
Actually yeah knowing that people spend a ton of money onto ED would mean that they would have a lot more funding which means more devs devoted to ED since it would bring in money and that means we would get atmos landing space legs and so on. I want all of them so succeed since I'm a customer of them all. NMS already has succeeded.I’m sure you’d be just as chill about it if ED or NMS we’re doing the same
The context. The meaning of “will” as previously explained and how it translates into promises that have apparently been broken. It has already been extensively explained, but just like when you first started posting in this thread, you refuse to accept that you were wrong about these things. There's a reason why you were handed a pretty extensive transcript that showed the full context, since it pretty clearly laid out the conditions and prerequisites for the things you're waiting for.
That's rich coming from someone whose first post after a half-decade absence is to immediately call someone a “brick wall” and proceeded to inject numerous insults against anyone you responded to.
…and when did this happen? Or have you now begun to completely invent things to be offended by? Because it's not something I've actually claimed.
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What broken promises when have I stated that they broke promises I just stated that ED has also sold the game on promises, not broken them can you stop misrepresenting me and can we just drops this since we are just walking in circles and getting nowhere.
If by wish-list you mean all the ships they would have to add then I guess yeah, content keeps coming until money keeps rolling that's how things work.And a never-ending wish list to fulfil. Just like Santa. How fitting
Santa just landed on our space station here in Sol. All 3 of my kids could have landed on the naughty list, they all did at least one naughty thing in each of the last seven years, but they didn't all make the same number of mistakes and the mistakes they made were of greater and lesser consequence. Kind of an analogy to the last twenty pages. Where if we look in broad summary we can conclude one thing, but when we look at the detail a different picture emerges.
I appreciate the entertainment everyone. Merry Christmas everyone and thank you for the 12 days of Christmas that have sped by on this thread.
I appreciate the entertainment everyone. Merry Christmas everyone and thank you for the 12 days of Christmas that have sped by on this thread.
Yeah Industry... Lets remember all the ED promises we got that were never delivered. I fell for them as well and looking at ED dev speed most of those promises will never happen
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