Open Gun-ports = open for pvp : Pilots federations rule of the duel

[Yargulius]

It's a game.
We play games to do things that we otherwise couldn't or wouldn't do in real life.

Personally, I wouldn't attack someone else just for $ and giggles, but I would never presume to inflict my views on someone else.

Human history is chock full of people and institutions that do that sort of thing and I think we would be better off without it.

 

[Brrokk]

If you do anything to any system where BGS is enabled you stomp on someones toes. Why treat Fighting Player Ships differently to every other activity?

If you do anything in BGS it's actually very unlikely that you stomp on anyone's toes, and even if you do inconvenience someone it's unlikely that you intended to. The purpose of the BGS is to give the impression of a living galaxy, where state changes happen that an individual player isn't expecting and may or may not want.

On the other hand, if you blow up someone's ship you have wasted a few hours of their gameplay. OK, that's the game. If you had some in-game reason for doing it, that's also intended game behaviour; well done. If, however, you have no in-game reason and your motivation was to annoy them by depriving them of a few hours of their leisure time, that's RL scum behaviour.

I think we all know this and realise that the BGS is just a straw-man red-herring diversion in these debates.

 

[Screemonster]

I'm told ALD is quite hands on.

Yeah, I've chatted with a few of 'em. Good guys, like to get chatty with player groups that operate in their space just so they know what everyone's up to. They'll even talk and shoot the breeze with people that are technically working against them or not part of their operations, 'cause, surprise surprise, it's only a game.

 

[ElectricFactory]

This. Rational, reasonably put position, minus any vitriol or obtuse rationalizing. Honest guys, this affects me not at all as I play in Solo ;

** the game designers created a playing option Open, where pretty much anything goes. Anything. I've read elsewhere the term 'seal clubbing', this pretty much tells me I probably wouldn't enjoy ED in that environment
** the same deigners created a Solo playing option whereby players can avoid the above seal clubbers, butterfly wing-pullers, etc altogether, no contact
** this is the way the designers want it. If they wanted Open to be something else more reasonable, they could've and would've done it. They didn't.

Some say they've made enduring freindships in Open, resulting from PVP or whatever and I have no reason to doubt their sincerity. I on the other hand don't come to ED to make enduring friendships nor real -people contact generally. I come to ED to escape all that,a bit of alone time, maybe lose myself in a simulated space environment, visiting places I'll never see in a space ship I'll never fly.

Others may come for different reasons than mine, all good. But if you're like me, looking for the above from the game, Solo is the only mode.

What is BGS ? I know it stands for background simulation but how does it apply within the context of this topic ?

If you do anything in BGS it's actually very unlikely that you stomp on anyone's toes, and even if you do inconvenience someone it's unlikely that you intended to. The purpose of the BGS is to give the impression of a living galaxy, where state changes happen that an individual player isn't expecting and may or may not want.

On the other hand, if you blow up someone's ship you have wasted a few hours of their gameplay. OK, that's the game. If you had some in-game reason for doing it, that's also intended game behaviour; well done. If, however, you have no in-game reason and your motivation was to annoy them by depriving them of a few hours of their leisure time, that's RL scum behaviour.

I think we all know this and realise that the BGS is just a straw-man red-herring diversion in these debates.

 

[kaelys]

One can discuss etiquette ad nauseam, but the truth is that there are always going to be people that don't care about un-written rules. Throw in the fact that ED is a cross between feudal Europe and the American west circa 1870 in space, and well, there's gunna be violence and you're either the toaster or you're the toast.

It's the threat of death that makes this game interesting. Otherwise, moving cargo is just work. I used to get all worked up about griefing, but now I accept that there are going to be people whom will ambush you when the conditions least favor your survival, and I plan accordingly. Some people might consider a wing jumping someone coming out of a station cowardice, but I view it as an opportunity to test the tactics I've developed to deal with such things. I used to face the rebuy screen in these situations, but not so much anymore. In any case I can usually take at least one of them out before they get me, so I take it as a victory; facing a rebuy screen probably bothers them more than it bothers me.

 

[Screemonster]

In ED whatever you do you are stomping with a high probability on somebody else's toes. Turn in explo data, run a few missions, do trade runs all that helps or hurts somebody else, maybe unknown to one side or both. PvP combat is just the most in your face activity from all of them, but it is not different to all the others.

Hilariously the place that gets you the most attempted ganking is one of the few places where you're guaranteed not to actually step on anyone's toes by turning in data or the like, and it's one of the places that white knights are less interested in protecting than places like Deciat or Wyrd - and the reason I've heard from them is that everyone who flies in that system in open should know how to handle themselves and they have actual newbies to protect.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

I don't, I see his suggestion as probably implausible but completely rational. If one's 'style' is stomping on the toes of someone else then yea, that 'style' has problems in my personal view. In my country we have a certain well known politician whos' style is making other people suffer, causing the wanton disruption of saftey and security to millions. His supporters say that's his 'style'. The rest of us, the majority of us say he's a sadistic monster. A question of style, or something else ?

Dude. Ganking someone in Elite, for any reason, isn't even remotely comparable to state sanctioned violence and mayhem at the hands of a sadist.

This. Rational, reasonably put position, minus any vitriol or obtuse rationalizing.

Pot, meet kettle. Never mind you play in Solo. Why are you talking about Open at all?

 

[ElectricFactory]

I'm a glutton for punishment ?
Seroiusly though please accept my apology for any ruffled feathers, I generally try to stay out of these contentious types of things. Anyway no offense meant, as someone else said it is only a game.

[QUOTE="Phisto Sobanii, post: 8341193, member: 158129"

Pot, meet kettle. Never mind you play in Solo. Why are you talking about Open at all?
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[Phisto Sobanii]

I'm a glutton for punishment ?
Seroiusly though please accept my apology for any ruffled feathers, I generally try to stay out of these contentious types of things. Anyway no offense meant, as someone else said it is only a game.

I'm not offended. The lack of perspective from so many career Solo players on Open Play is breathtaking. Why does being called out on that surprise you?

 

[60mm]

I don't, I see his suggestion as probably implausible but completely rational. If one's 'style' is stomping on the toes of someone else then yea, that 'style' has problems in my personal view. In my country we have a certain well known politician whos' style is making other people suffer, causing the wanton disruption of saftey and security to millions. His supporters say that's his 'style'. The rest of us, the majority of us say he's a sadistic monster. A question of style, or something else ?

Having said all that i'm quite happy to play in Solo. I like it Solo, enjoy the game immensely and do not for one moment miss the ability to waive at another living commander. I enjoy the game as much as one can and without the mayhem of another players 'style'.

Reading drumph into ED. Le'cringe.

 

[CNC drill press]

ummm - isn't that exactly what you are proposing? Forcing everyone else to conform to your idea of how the game should be played?

Maybe I'm wrong but that really is how I (and others) see your suggestion.

LOL. So, its normal players hurting griefer's freedom by not letting them to gank (other people)? Thats crazy "logic".

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

LOL. So, its normal players hurting griefer's freedom by not letting them to gank (other people)? Thats crazy "logic".

The folks tolerating ganking have repeatedly said pick the mode that's right for you or prepare your ship and expectations for the wild nature of Open Play.

Folks Yarg is criticizing are demanding Open Play cater to your preferred experience.

The former is sensible. The latter is not.

I also know which will keep me from shooting you down.

EDIT: clarity

 

[60mm]

LOL. So, its normal players hurting griefer's freedom by not letting them to gank (other people)? Thats crazy "logic".

Ganking is explicitly condoned Open gameplay, whether you like it or not. Seeing players wanting to block other players from participating in Dev supported gameplay as negative isn't "crazy logic", it is how every functioning game on earth is assumed to operate. Game Developers set rules and gameplay mechanics, players interact with the rules and mechanics provided.

If you don't like Open and what it entails, you already have options for bubble-wrapped play. Take them. I know I do all the time when I don't want any possible interference.

 

[Screemonster]

The folks tolerating ganking have repeatedly said pick the mode that's right for you or prepare your ship and expectations for the wild nature of Open Play.

Folks Yarg is criticizing are demanding Open Play cater to your preferred experience.

The former is sensible. The latter is not.

I also know which will keep me from shooting you down.

EDIT: clarity

This whole argument reminds me of the people getting mad that they're being told to stay indoors and avoid social gatherings during the pandemic

Sure it would be nice if we could go out and do what we want without any risk of catching SARS 2: The Revenge, but that's not the reality we live in right now. So you stay indoors, and if you do have to go outside, you take steps to minimise contact and wash your damn hands.

 

[CMDR M. Lehman]

This thread has sustained me.

 

[Speedcuffs]

Yup. If you're going to play Open expect the Wild West. Prepare accordingly or use the mode filter.

Wild west. Thank goodness.

 

[Kiwirat]

Why is this topic even getting air time.. ? Its an obvious troll on PvP debate that's been done to death many times with no solution.
The OP does not even participate except to rightly put someone in their place for being sexist .

 

[rekurzion]

sounds like excellent rules for your own private group

 

[60mm]

The OP does not even participate except to rightly put someone in their place for being sexist .

If you are going to publicly declare me to have a pathological hatred of women, at least have the guts to state your case.

 

[CMDR X]

Kid, you know I don’t react kindly to that kind of humor. there have been women on the internet and in software development since long before you were born.
We’ve had PM’s conversations about this attitude of yours before.

First, you clearly have no idea what i was saying regarding women on the internet.
Secondly, you messaged me urging me to stop believing in two genders, and when I disagreed, you asserted my refusal to do so or mouth the lie myself meant I am secretly homosexual, to which i did not respond. Trying to pressure a stranger over the internet to change their views with poorly veiled attempts at denigration, and shaming, then not hearing anything back is not a conversation. It's being an completely ineffectual ideological bully, and trying to put me on parade won't change that.
And seriously, the "you're secretly homo" tactic? The Boomer era is gone, please find some new wedges.

LOL how did the thread go down this rabbit hole? I shoot at both Men and Women, guns raised or not. What is this, snowflake group therapy?
X.