We have a new talking point in the national media, that 'you cannot compare our data with other countries'. Always a great sign when they say that. No sir, not worrying at all. I'll just close my eyes now.
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We have a new talking point in the national media, that 'you cannot compare our data with other countries'. Always a great sign when they say that. No sir, not worrying at all. I'll just close my eyes now.
I have no doubt that that is the case, but enough to drive the numbers we're seeing? More ICU beds and less intense cases of the virus? Germany is sitting at less than 200 hundred mortalities to 30k plus infections. I think the answer is much deeper than that, and it touches on a concern I raised a few days ago regarding our societies not even having the correct language to identify the underlying causes.
Can't even have a constructive conversation? Big surprise. Even directly praising your country and talking positively doesn't soften your tone, or your rhetoric.
Let's look at this way; Germany is sitting pretty high on the list for transmissions, so can't claim to have done anything special regarding the spread of the virus. And you don't have 30k ICU beds (do you?), so there's more going on.
And yes, the travel restrictions that were put in place in America were helpful, but not enough. Too bad all the people on the left side of the spectrum denigrated, howled and screamed at the leadership who moved to put the restrictions in place as being "draconian" and "anti-Chinese" or we might have seen more effective restrictions directly following. This is what makes the argument in my country so disgusting, that side of the equation not joining forces and actually working to fix things. Like the stimulus package that has blocked in order for some to dust off old bills that have nothing to do with the pandemic and add them to the bill, along with a huge dose of "Hehe, this is our big chance to nationalize big businesses!!!"
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When they say things like that, then you know it's bad!
AGAIN ... usual fare for this forum ... it's always "No I AM RIGHT and you are wrong".
I'll tell you my attitude, as you obviously have no idea. I am not afraid of this virus. I'm not even afraid of this virus for other people. I AM AFRAID though of the damage that's been done by those who panicked and bought as much as they could, prompting others to do the same. I am afraid of the situation we are currently in where it's a never-ending cycle of panicking, and the media isn't helping matters because fear and scaremongering sells papers and website clicks. I am afraid of the consequences of all this, and that NO-ONE seems to be talking about what happens AFTER we beat this virus (because we will beat it) because now, there is a world-wide recession coming, but all anyone can focus on right now is "HOW DARE YOU GET WITHIN FIVE FEET OF ME!!!!!!!!!!" .....
That's my attitude.
EDIT: Also, last night I spent the night working in a supermaket stocking shelves, so I have a little insight into what's happening.
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Well, the first bit would imply that they are actually not as far 'into the curve' as you'd intuitively think based on the number of known cases. Check the 'total deaths' graph and switch to log. That curve isn't flatter than that other nations around it, it just started later. It is too soon to know for sure, but based on that graph I wouldn't be too optimistic just yet. :/
Yeah, we all got you the first time. Repeating it doesn't change anyone's perspective on it.
As I said, usual attitudes on this forum ... YOU don't get it .... we WILL beat this virus, it's not even a question.
Gotta go to work so I'll just say this and be out until later: we need to look at the overall health from the ground up of the various countries. I haven't time to dig up statistics, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say Germans are healthier overall as a population, probably in any way a direct comparison can be made.
I am also a shop worker, and I can tell you that people are not taking this seriously at all, and it WILL cost lives. As for a recession, if we keep doing business in a way which is balanced on a knife edge all the time, then it's par the course.
One Problem we face is : we are not entirely sure how, and when . And how many people it will have killed by then . Anyone who bases their strategy on dealing with this Beast on "we will find a cure/we will find a Vaccine" is not only gambling with human lives, but already causing people to die . We CAN NOT base our strategie(s) on some very_probable_ event in the not_so_clear_future .
Also, to have any hope of "rebuilding economy and society", we really need to make sure that not too many of our Doctors, nurses, first responders and people in general die, or get taken out of the # of active people at once, for too long .
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This ^^^
There are far more infected people than the official confirmed numbers (only the tested can be officially confirmed). There are probably large unnacounted numbers of people that only develop mild symptoms (or none at all) and will never know they got the virus (but are still carriers).
Still carriers, and still spreading the virus to those most at risk. I'd say this is even more alarming than the actual confirmed figures.
That's precisely why me and my family started home lockdown even before our
Chalk up another win for globalism. By selling expertise, knowledge and the manufacturing base to the lowest bidder no country is now capable of true self-sufficiency.
Yeah, I am not really too vulnerable to flattery .
To the rest of your post, no comment, as I want to keep this Thread open .
Ditto. Although I still had to work until Friday. Now I'm lockdown as well. On the plus side, I finally have time for gaming!
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