I almost feel bad for Frontier

Surely the big differences though are the BGS and online play and how they touch nearly everything you do in the game? NMS certainly doesn't have any notable BGS issues and its multiplayer is considerably less complex than E:Ds. In style they're similar, but in scope they're very different games.

I'm sure FDev would make many changes if they were given another go from the beginning, but on the upside of dropping in larger features first they have a really good idea of what works technically and what doesn't. I'd guess one big problem is staff turnover and people moving between projects. It's one thing staring at 5 years of your own code, quite another to state at 5 years of other peoples code.

They've had work ongoing for atmospherics and walking about for at least three years, so I'm hopeful that we're going to see a large improvement in the game come release - with any Covid delays included....
Which, is why they are completely re-writing the game.
 
I'm sure that the management and developers at Frontier are enthusiastic about the new features they bring to their games (in this case, Elite Dangerous). And while they expect some negative feedback, I can't help but think that they have been caught totally off-guard with the level of disappointment, frustration, and disinterest in the latest Fleet Carrier beta. To put all that time, energy, and enthusiasm into a project to just watch it bomb - I know I would be disheartened if this were the response to a project I invested time in.

And yet, I can't fully bring myself to feel bad for Frontier. It seems they are just totally out-of-touch with their customers and player base. I'm not saying this based on what I want or do not want in the game, but rather the overwhelming negative feedback overflowing in the forums and livestreams, even from people who normally are much more generous with their praise of Frontier. I guess if I am going to feel bad for someone, it's the quiet developer working at Frontier who thinks, "This is not what the players want, but the boss tells me this is what I must do, so that's what I'll do." Having worked for such a boss in the past, I do feel bad for those employees at Frontier in this position. Something is obviously broken at Frontier, and I'm guessing it's management / leadership. And sadly, like the recent Charlie's Angels reboot and other terrible movies, they will probably just blame the fans and not own and learn from their mistakes. I hope I'm wrong (there's still time to fix these Fleet Carriers).
The problem is not understanding... easily remedied, PLAY THE GAME YOU MAKE FOR FUN,
Test it in the office and see what others in the office like or don't like, if you all play what you sell you'll simply know what's wrong before you chuck the thing out, seriously does anyone think that the numbers issued with the beta release were thought out and discussed by people that actually play the game?
 
Kind of beside the point but I guess this is as good a place as any to mention it...

For all the people who burned through a giant pile of credits last week, in the beta, buying and outfitting theif FCs, will FDev be handing out refunds this week?

I've seen a lot of people moaning that they're going to have to go mining - in beta - to earn more credits so they can carry on testing the stuff they want to test.
That seems kind of counterproductive, for the purposes of testing out stuff related to FCs in beta.

Could FDev not just send a simple inbox mission to everybody in beta which pays, say, Cr5bn, to ensure everybody in beta still has a big pile of credits to play with?
 
Kind of beside the point but I guess this is as good a place as any to mention it...

For all the people who burned through a giant pile of credits last week, in the beta, buying and outfitting theif FCs, will FDev be handing out refunds this week?

I've seen a lot of people moaning that they're going to have to go mining - in beta - to earn more credits so they can carry on testing the stuff they want to test.
That seems kind of counterproductive, for the purposes of testing out stuff related to FCs in beta.

Could FDev not just send a simple inbox mission to everybody in beta which pays, say, Cr5bn, to ensure everybody in beta still has a big pile of credits to play with?
If I had just one last wish

I would settle for some fish..... :)
 
Kind of beside the point but I guess this is as good a place as any to mention it...

For all the people who burned through a giant pile of credits last week, in the beta, buying and outfitting theif FCs, will FDev be handing out refunds this week?

I've seen a lot of people moaning that they're going to have to go mining - in beta - to earn more credits so they can carry on testing the stuff they want to test.
That seems kind of counterproductive, for the purposes of testing out stuff related to FCs in beta.

Could FDev not just send a simple inbox mission to everybody in beta which pays, say, Cr5bn, to ensure everybody in beta still has a big pile of credits to play with?
One of the reasons this and future betas are and will not be installed on my computer.
 
Which, is why they are completely re-writing the game.

I'd be amazed if they were re-writing everything :) edit : didn't see subsequent posts...

Even the best programmers look at old code and think they'd could do it better. I'm sure they'll be looking at specific parts and doing what they can in the time frame to improve it as it's either necessary for integrating space legs, or it's just not quite as good as it could be.
 
I'd be amazed if they were re-writing everything :) edit : didn't see subsequent posts...

Even the best programmers look at old code and think they'd could do it better. I'm sure they'll be looking at specific parts and doing what they can in the time frame to improve it as it's either necessary for integrating space legs, or it's just not quite as good as it could be.
Either it will be a full re-write, or a development-heck redo of the existing code. Either way, that is probably why they are not fixing things.
 
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