ANNOUNCEMENT Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Announcement

[VR captpopup]

The people threatening not to buy because no VR, well, good riddance. The amount of entitlement is staggering, embarrassing and downright ridiculous. Grow up people.
I understand you love VR, and I fully wish they implement VR into Elite to encompass space legs, etc., but VR is not a core gameplay component. It's a not a necessity. It's icing on the cake for a select few amount of people. Get over yourselves. You'll get your VR, just not now. Go change your diapers.

Frontier -- thank you for this trailer, and looking forward to all future trailers. Very excited for Odyssey, and currently more concerned about Fleet Carrier issues being resolved.

Fleet Carriers... 5 Billion to buy... millions to run... and taken away if you don't play... for the select few... now if you could just sort that out for me FDev and ignore all these other VR players, they're just a minority anyway.

 

[Trotsky2112]

So you are saying that since you are use to eating steak and lobster suddenly you are to good for beans and cornbread like the rest of us have to live on?

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

 

[VR Jay Le Chardon]

Are we just ignoring the fact that after 5 years we still aren't getting ship interiors to walk around in? There was a deleted thread already where am FDev employee confirmed ship interiors are not happening. I find that a bigger deal than whining about VR

Unfortunate that it was deleted before you even had a chance to mention it. I think everyone would love to see that confirmation. I think you will find there are many that don't care about ship interiors, just as there are many that want it. So we'll still be at an impasse there.

I'm wondering if the lack of interiors, is connected to the axing of VR. In essence if we had VR we could walk through the ships interior, but If they haven't been modelled yet... Or even if they are working on interiors but are only 40%, a 2D player will be easier to "guide" through the polished bits of the interior and "herd" them away from the unfinished bits?

Yeeeeah, about that, do you have any idea how many users are there on steam? Guesstimates are around 95 million people use steam monthly. So assuming everyone of them bought elite because it is awsum in VR like Alyx (which counted a whopping one million new headsets playing):
95 000 000 × 0.0192 = 1 824 000 users
1 824 000 × 50€ = 91 200 000€

Yeah, that's a negligible market. For sure. Just be aware that the 0.01% shift from the article I linked to the stats you link is 19 000 headsets. That's how mind-bogglingly tiny it is. And it's growing.

And in five and a half years elite has shifted 3.5 million copies, Half Life Alyx has done more than half of that in months. Sure - VR is super niche and not worth doing.

Elite Dangerous base game has sold 3.5 million copies (plus other FDev games have sold well too)

https://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail/FDEV/14546472.html All four games, Elite Dangerous, Planet Coaster, Jurassic World Evolution and Planet Zoo, have each provided significant revenue contributions in FY20 through both base game sales and...

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I bought my VR headset myself after scrimping a few pounds from my pension for 7 months Evil Phil. If I cant use it in Elite (the sole reason for buying it) a feature of the game now that is to be removed later... then yes I'm feeling a bit sore at the moment. LEP and been playing since 1984... ungrateful is the wrong word... supportive and loyal might be better ones to use. If I can continue to use my headset in Horizons then all I have lost is my LEP... but what I gain is an empty galaxy to explore and to gaze upon... if I can't do that then I have no idea what I will do. There is something special in flying flight assist off, side slipping onto a landing site on a planet, getting out of my chair and moving over to the window with a beer and listening to music. You see... I already had legs.

I'm sorry for you buddy, that's the second story like this I've encountered tonight. There are a few of us who are raising havoc politely protesting to get VR put back into Odyssey, and aprat from my own personal preference to play in VR, I really hope we manage to get VR reinstated for guys like you.

 

[Stanis]

the same for me : No VR, No Buy!

Play this game on a 2d screen is just impossibe for me. A terrible step backward.

But well... Not a drama.. I prefere to see the first release of Odyssey in 2d and check if it's not a very simple pew pew fps on empty rocky planet with poor blue fog as atmo.

By the way,

I would have been much more enthusiastic if they had announced a complete true atmo planet, with clouds, weather, vegetation, water ... even only with a SRV.
Or fps in stations and in our ship at first, not on planets.

It's like putting the cart before the horse.

 

[Cpt.Badger]

The people threatening not to buy because no VR, well, good riddance. The amount of entitlement is staggering, embarrassing and downright ridiculous.

Entitlement? Wait? What?

So... if for example - Odyssey was PC ONLY, you would then call console users entitled after they expressed their dissapointment about that decision?

 

[Pengman19]

It's like the twilight zone in here with how people are freaking out about no VR support (in this first iteration of space legs !).
You don't develop gameplay for a minority. I'm GLAD that there's no VR support because Frontier is already inconsistent with their time management (I kid, I kid). Wasting resources and hours on implementing VR on the biggest expansion ever would have been a mistake. And this is coming from someone who fully wants VR implemented; you just do it later, when it's less of a priority. Because it is NOT a priority. And if you can't see that this is a luxury implementation, there is something seriously wrong with you. Massively entitled. This is just embarrassing honestly.

 

[Dark Martin]

really don't understand why we need vr in an fps module. Personally i think it would be a major handicap if a vr player was faced against a non vr player

Particularly with the main way to move in VR FPS games being beaming, and aiming being far harder than it is with a mouse. One of the reasons Elite works so well in VR is lack of motion sickness, your RL and VR bodies are in sync, since both are a chair. Once you're moving, a bunch of motion sickness and safety issues appear. If you stand for FPS mode and sit to fly, you have to find your chair and HOTAS blind (with a headset on), and if you sit and move smoothly as a standing avatar, you'll be sick pretty fast. Or the pancake players will be moving smoothly while you stand and wave and teleport about.

I think VR tech needs to evolve some more to support this kind of mixed mode, it'll come, but not with what we have today.

 

[Pengman19]

Entitlement? Wait? What?

So... if for example, Odyssey was PC ONLY, you would call console users entitled, after they expressed their dissapointment about that decision?

Comparing no VR to not being released on console is a false equivalency. And if they said they were releasing on PC first and then consoles months later, I would understand that. I own the game on PC and console, so I really don't care. I prefer to play it on console with my friends, but I wouldn't put up a big stink about it. It's called being reasonable and understanding priorities.

 

[Nagnu]

Don't feed the obvious troll mate.

Asking for why people are personally attacking VR users is a troll now. We're in reverse land, apparently. Oh wait, does that mean you're an obvious troll? Nuts.

 

[Dark Martin]

It does seem like there might be some AX combat though, specialising gear and co-ordinating with other players sounds like attacking Thargoid installations and burrows...

 

[Cpt.Badger]

It's like the twilight zone in here with how people are freaking out about no VR support (in this first iteration of space legs what are you doing!).
You don't develop gameplay for a minority. I'm GLAD that there's no VR support because Frontier is already inconsistent with their time management (I kid, I kid). Wasting resources and hours on implementing VR on the biggest expansion ever would have been a mistake. And this is coming from someone who fully wants VR implemented; you just do it later, when it's less of a priority. Because it is NOT a priority. And if you can't see that this is a luxury implementation, there is something seriously wrong with you. Massively entitled. This is just embarrassing honestly.

You are clueless.

There are reportedly around 120 devs at FDev working on Odyssey.
Hello Games implemented VR in about one year with just TWO DEVELOPERS.
SCS Software maintains VR support for their games with ONE DEVELOPER (who does it in his spare time).

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Very good point.

I obviously am focusing on the fact I cannot use VR. Even if I were the richest man on earth. My eyesight prevents it.

Yes, I think people forget that a lot of people who once could have got VR... Yeah not anymore. Times have changed, big.

The fact that we are getting legs so soon now is a shock to me alone. Nobody is getting cut off. We can all still play.

I play ED for the experience of being IN the game. The simple fact is unless FD re-evaluate the VR support.. and my last hold out is this is a ploy to get money from Facebook ..... I won't enjoy playing elite so what is the point.?
It isn't good form to release a game highlighting certain features , esp ones which encourage great expenditure only to pull the rug later. Am sure there is a feature which is key to you, and what ever it is does not matter... But why ever it is , consider how you would feel if it were removed.
I am sorry you can't use vr that sucks but for those who can and more importantly those who want to this is a big deal.

 

[Pengman19]

Would you mind reading your post again, with your thinking hat on ? Let’s me give you a head start, shall I - just imagine, Odyssey had been announced today, but unfortunately VR mode only, no flat version. But of course it may follow, they didn‘t say it definitely will never be released... so how exactly would that make you feel if you actually liked this game and spent a couple of hundred hours in it, and anticipated this DLC since more than a year? Do I need to connect even more dots, or did it do the job ?

False equivalency. You seem to think that minority is the same thing as majority. You don't develop for the minority. Otherwise you don't make MONEY. Maybe you need to put that thinking hat on yourself buddy haha

If VR users made up the majority of players for, not just Elite Dangerous, but every game, then, yeah, I'd grow up and buy myself some VR action so I can join the fun. Also, your diaper is soiled again hehe

 

[Sweet&Dandy]

It's like the twilight zone in here with how people are freaking out about no VR support (in this first iteration of space legs what are you doing!).
You don't develop gameplay for a minority. I'm GLAD that there's no VR support because Frontier is already inconsistent with their time management (I kid, I kid). Wasting resources and hours on implementing VR on the biggest expansion ever would have been a mistake. And this is coming from someone who fully wants VR implemented; you just do it later, when it's less of a priority. Because it is NOT a priority. And if you can't see that this is a luxury implementation, there is something seriously wrong with you. Massively entitled. This is just embarrassing honestly.

I respect your right to your opinion but question if entitled is the right word?
I paid for a VR game. I play in VR exclusively. I bought a LEP under the assumption that I would still be able to play in VR in all future updates. Am I entitled? Actually I think you may be right!
I’m sorry you are embarrassed about my entitlement but Frontier need to know.
You wouldn’t be here if you didn’t love the game And I respect that. I don’t know how you play, but let’s assume you found out you couldn’t play the way you wanted to any more... I would think entitlement would be served for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

 

[Evil Phil]

Sorry Im just hungry for steak and lobster

 

[Commando Eiht]

At this point. your all just feeding Pengman19. Just ignore him. He is allowed to have his opinion and so are we.

 

[Cpt.Badger]

Sorry Im just hungry for steak and lobster

I legit lol'd.

But then I've read this.

You seem to think that minority is the same thing as majority.

VERY dangerous words. Especially these days.

 

[Daxius]

The people threatening not to buy because no VR, well, good riddance. The amount of entitlement is staggering, embarrassing and downright ridiculous. Grow up people.
I understand you love VR, and I fully wish they implement VR into Elite to encompass space legs, etc., but VR is not a core gameplay component. It's a not a necessity. It's icing on the cake for a select few amount of people. Get over yourselves. You'll get your VR, just not now. Go change your diapers.

Frontier -- thank you for this trailer, and looking forward to all future trailers. Very excited for Odyssey, and currently more concerned about Fleet Carrier issues being resolved.

Fleet carriers will only be owned by a select few amount of people. Get over yourselves and stop crying about upkeep, FDev has better things to focus on than a minority of the playerbase.


/s

 

[VR Jay Le Chardon]

I don’t want to give them a break. I don’t care what their reasons are either. Elite Dangerous in VR is my goto game. it’s what I play and how I play. They are changing direction (as is their right) and I am raising my strong objection (As is my right)
Again if it were consoles that weren’t being supported, I’d have zero issue with it, but would understand why many would and certainly wouldn’t begrudge them their voice.

Entitlement? Wait? What?

So... if for example - Odyssey was PC ONLY, you would then call console users entitled after they expressed their dissapointment about that decision?

Comparing no VR to not being released on console is a false equivalency. And if they said they were releasing on PC first and then consoles months later, I would understand that. I own the game on PC and console, so I really don't care. I prefer to play it on console with my friends, but I wouldn't put up a big stink about it. It's called being reasonable and understanding priorities.

And they did do something similar to Mac users, but mac users were slightly more fortunate in that they could do software workarounds o run windows natively (Bootcamp) and run the game that way. Granted that was due to Apple trying to railroad develoers into using their proprietary "metal" API for gaming.

But, with odyssey going the way it is with no VR support, our preferred method of play removed and is much more comparable to CPT.Badger's analogy above, as it is leaving us with redundant expensive hardware. Remember that a VR headset is comparable in price to a console. So having a VR headset gathering dust because the developers pulled support for VR is financially akin to having a console equally redundant.

 

[ECity]

And in five and a half years elite has shifted 3.5 million copies, Half Life Alyx has done more than half of that in months. Sure - VR is super niche and not worth doing.

Minecraft has sold 200 million copies.