ANNOUNCEMENT Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Announcement

[Cmdr Andrew Johnson]

I wonder how David Braben is feeling this Sunday morning, he has invested a lifetime in to this game. His vision in the original discussion forum was incredible but I can’t help but feel what we have now is a very dumbed down version of that vision which is now driven by money and shareholders profits rather than his dreams.
You hardly ever hear from him on Elite these days.

 

[Deleted member 251664]

It will be a purely commercial decision based on the now "inclusion" of , as Yamik's puts it, Console Peasants. They were not a consideration in 2014 so they could muck around with VR.

So these days absolutely no way do you hold back the release of money making paid extra content to have features only the minority of customers use, which are VR PC users.

If i had to make an educated guess, i would say 75%+ of the "total" playerbase play on Pancake, TV or monitor, VR are most certainly the minority, especially when the VR headsets cost what, or more than whan a current generation console does, and many VR headsets cost more than what next gen consoles will when released soon.

I think they will develop VR for PC users for EDO, once sales for Pancake users die down, they will spend time and money developing VR for those extra sales.

With the very low prices headset went with the introduction of Windows Mixed Reality, I think you formed an opinion based on lack of information. The VR community is not a minority anymore. On top of that you have PSVR users, who have been told the same damage control jargon from FD in the past.

They did not even consider doing basic vr support with all the time they had at their disposal. I have the feeling it is more a technical inability issue at play, FD hasn't got particularly skilled programmers anymore as other more notable companies have.

 

[Dooguk]

I wonder how David Braben is feeling this Sunday morning, he has invested a lifetime in to this game. His vision in the original discussion forum was incredible but I can’t help but feel what we have now is a very dumbed down version of that vision which is now driven by money and shareholders profits rather than his dreams.
You hardly ever hear from him on Elite these days.

Or maybe he's taking a dip in his swimming pool full of gold coins.

 

[Dooguk]

It will be a purely commercial decision based on the now "inclusion" of , as Yamik's puts it, Console Peasants. They were not a consideration in 2014 so they could muck around with VR.

So these days absolutely no way do you hold back the release of money making paid extra content to have features only the minority of customers use, which are VR PC users.

If i had to make an educated guess, i would say 75%+ of the "total" playerbase play on Pancake, TV or monitor, VR are most certainly the minority, especially when the VR headsets cost what, or more than whan a current generation console does, and many VR headsets cost more than what next gen consoles will when released soon.

I think they will develop VR for PC users for EDO, once sales for Pancake users die down, they will spend time and money developing VR for those extra sales.

With 5 million PSVR headsets sold, you would think that with the PS5 and it's far superior hardware just around the corner, there is a significant amount of money to be made in VR. If you can sell 5 million headsets on a system that can barely run it, how many are you going to sell on a system that can?
The PS5 is going to be a far more capable machine than many of the PC's people are running Elite on now.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

With the very low prices headset went with the introduction of Windows Mixed Reality, I think you formed an opinion based on lack of information. The VR community is not a minority anymore. On top of that you have PSVR users, who have been told the same damage control jargon from FD in the past.

They did not even consider doing basic vr support with all the time they had at their disposal. I have the feeling it is more a technical inability issue at play, FD hasn't got particularly skilled programmers anymore as other more notable companies have.

So you're saying over 50% of ED players have a VR headset?

Source please. And yes, I expect the secret numbers only Frontier has.

 

[scholesey]

LMAO you actually believe EVERY SINGLE ELITE DANGEROUS PLAYER actually participated in that? LOLOLOLOL

You know damn well that VR users flocked to that poll because of how riled up they are, and most standard users probably didn't even know the poll existed.

I wouldn't trust some biased reddit poll worth a damn.

So you are saying VR players are more invested and more passionate about the game? Sounds about right.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

Error sorry, no. Unbiased samples are representative. Self selecting samples are not.

Plenty of good arguments for vr support without twisting the truth.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/gx46c8

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/gx46c8/how_do_you_play_elite_2d_vs_vr/


Interpret how you wish. Data is data. The same thing can be observed during elections actually. Poll is open on the largest Reddit ED community on Reddit, everyone can vote, everyone can ignore, too. So far the ratio is 74:26 between the extremes.

There also are stats on https://vrlfg.net/ and the ratio was reported similar there, it's in the thread. Didn't fact-check though.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

LMAO you actually believe EVERY SINGLE ELITE DANGEROUS PLAYER actually participated in that? LOLOLOLOL

That's not how statistics work. You don't need an entire population to gauge the trends and ratios.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

I dont even use reddit, i doubt most people do.

I don't ever use Beluga, I doubt anyone does.

 

[The Lawful]

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/gx46c8

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/gx46c8/how_do_you_play_elite_2d_vs_vr/


Interpret how you wish. Data is data. The same thing can be observed during elections actually. Poll is open on the largest Reddit ED community on Reddit, everyone can vote, everyone can ignore, too. So far the ratio is 74:26 between the extremes.

There also are stats on https://vrlfg.net/ and the ratio was reported similar there, it's in the thread. Didn't fact-check though.

It's biased still, unfortunately. VR users obviously have a strong desire to appear in the stats, while all others might not even care. I too would not take part in a vote I'm not interested in.

And I too would rather like 20-30% of the ED player base being locked into Legacy Era to make them think again, but I'm afraid that will not happen, as it's not true. Sadly, a good horse never jumps any higher than it has to. Mediocracy is king in an environment where there is no competition. Could well be a loach favored FPS and combat over VR and nerdiness, and nobody objected, and IMHO Braben has left the building long ago and only cares about figures now.

And as we are at figures: FD don't get a cent for supporting VR in their games. You could just buy a 6.95 EUR base game on Steam and play it for 10k hours, even if you run it on a 2k+ EUR PC rig. Once you bought a license, you're basically a cost factor. On the other hand, very few players will buy the DLC - at full price or less - if they're not already hooked into the game, just like with Horizons. And many many of the neophytes didn't even make it to leaving the starter systems or can afford a Cobra III. I remember there were some charts around here once, can't find them anymore, but I remember them as shattering. That's why we can be thankful for ADC and Supercruise Assist

TL'DR: high end users are simply not worth it, money-wise, and money is what counts. Metacritic and Steam reviews are the lighthouses leading the path.

O7,

 

[Deleted member 251664]

So you're saying over 50% of ED players have a VR headset?

Source please. And yes, I expect the secret numbers only Frontier has.

so you're putting words in my mouth and asking for a source?

The "secret numbers"... LOL

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I wonder how David Braben is feeling this Sunday morning, he has invested a lifetime in to this game. His vision in the original discussion forum was incredible but I can’t help but feel what we have now is a very dumbed down version of that vision which is now driven by money and shareholders profits rather than his dreams.
You hardly ever hear from him on Elite these days.

DB was one of my 4 main childhood heroes along with (the proper) Ian Bell, Chris Curry and sir Clive Sinclair.
And how I would.love to romantically believe this is true that DB will be waking up to see his cherished baby getting lambasted and for him to reflect on it...... But DB is the top dog in FD.
Either he is just a figurehead and is no longer interested, going hands off just so long as it pays the bills OR (far more likely) DB is fully aware of what is happening and totallysigned off on this.

DB is not a stupid man . I think he is fully aware of what is happening and just sees it as collateral damage

 

[Deleted member 251664]

truth is, FD and ED have been living off the legacy of talented devs who built the basegame, who aren't going public anymore. You even wonder if they're still in the team, with all the patch notes saying eternal bugs are fixed while they are not.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

So you're saying over 50% of ED players have a VR headset?

Source please. And yes, I expect the secret numbers only Frontier has.

No one is saying that (afaik).
I don't know how many ED players bought it for VR, or how many ED players with VR no longer play but we're waiting for the new DLC to drop to then jump in and buy it (this is the number that even FD may not know...... I know 3 of my gaming mates who played ed in VR who dropped ED around the time beyond was announced - with the plan to come back for the improved end of beyond planet tech at end of 2018.
They have not played for literally years but were fully committed to buy the next DLC to play in VR. They could be a tiny number but I am hoping they are more than that.
I CAN tell you this with certainty..... The percentage of ED players with VR is FAR FAR higher than the percentage of steam users as a whole with VR..... I don't know the percentage of PC ED players with VR but it would not surprise me 1 bit if 50% of PCVR owners owned ED.

For an indie title like ED that is a.potentially significant number of sales. If even 300,000 PCVR owners would buy the DLC that is not chump change money for ED.

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

Even more related:


As with forums, it's a sample of users. Statistics tell us that samples are representative. There's a whole section of math dedicated to statistics and math couldn't care less about biases - it's just numbers.

Based on VRFLG.net, Elite is the 3rd* most played VR compatible game at the moment. Frontier ignoring us means they want to relaunch the game for a completely new, much larger audience.

Edit: 6th "only"

 

[VR StarLightPL]

Based on VRFLG.net, Elite is the 3rd most played VR compatible game at the moment. Frontier ignoring us means they want to relaunch the game for a completely new, much larger audience.

Yeah I wanted to check that but I can't find Elite there at all. Could you give a link to relevant section? Search returns no results which is WEIRD.

EDIT: NVM, found it.

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

Yeah I wanted to check that but I can't find Elite there at all. Could you give a link to relevant section? Search returns no results which is WEIRD.

Hope this works.
The site takes VR only games as default, so you need to untick that before searching. Someone quoted 40% of Elite Steam players playing in VR, but even I find it hard to believe that number (possibly we need to comparte vrflg and steamcharts...?).

Edit:
Just updated the link, accidentally it was filtered to 'e'. It's actually 6th only.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

Hope this works.
The site takes VR only games as default, so you need to untick that before searching. Someone quoted 40% of Elite Steam players playing in VR, but even I find it hard to believe that number (possibly we need to comparte vrflg and steamcharts...?).

Yup it works thanks. I had VR only filter on, duh.

 

[Warjoy]

Just thinking. Would it be possible to make sitting bits VR and walking bits non VR? While in VR you could get warning when attempting to exit the ship/srv. This could be until permanent full VR solution is developed.

 

[[VR] Mad Life Crisis]

I'm disappointed too, but besides standing outside FD in Cambridge with a 'VRUM' (VR Users Matter) placard, I don't think there's much I can do. I can still play Horizons so... Oh well, swallow it up I suppose.