No indeed, but Frontier are not entitled to have customers either. It's a sort of balance thing.
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ok now you've confused me.
"At launch" means when Odyssey is launched/released in early 2021 that it will not support VR, not when it is sold nor does it have anything to do with the executable.
Tim's clarification (that I linked) highlights that VR will still work in Horizons but not in Odyssey.
Edit: to be clear going by the post I'm quoting your interpretation of what "at launch" means is wrong.
They did, to reiterate the already established position.
No we don’t, but whatever it is, it doesn’t work in VR and it would be required to change in order to do so. I know this seems to be a difficult concept for you. As if FDev just need to “turn VR on” and everything will be perfect. It would fundamentally change whatever glory they have created.
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You ask some excellent questions.
And I agree Frontier haven't clarified this particular detail.My "assumption" has always been that we'll get a new launcher, like Horizons, which will launch us into Odyssey. But, like horizons, all the original game content will continue to function as before, which includes VR.
But.. I can well imagine there might be a technical issue which prevents a game switching from VR, to monitor, and back. But, I would hope that this sort of thing is possible, or will be possible provided Frontier can provide the necessary pressure to VR vendors.
When in VR, the game still renders to a small window on screen so "worst case", we just need to disable head tracking and reset the view to forward and we could switch from headset to the monitor, without any fancy switching support from vendors. But, TBH, that would be a bit garbage for all of those with high-res monitors, which is why it's a worst case.
Yeah, I do understand to some degree the difficulties FD face (supporting ED on Mac when Apple dropped OpenGL, supporting VR when first-person VR is still a nascent tech that people are still wrapping their heads around), but on the other hand FD do sometimes drip-feed bad news out in the hope of diluting it over time when I wish they'd take the 'plaster' approach and rip it off.
They knew VR wouldn't be supported at launch, and didn't mention it until some posters noticed the VR tag was missing on Steam. Maybe they're not certain yet on exactly how it'll work in Odyssey (VR in ships, 2D on foot??) or maybe they're just sitting on the info; afraid to venture into the lion's den of player feedback!
You guys finally drove me to make a forum account, so .. Yay .. also to the guy who had hes game of 3 years shut down.. how did that make you feel? slightly miffed im sure
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Fair enough.and IF FD made the (it would be insane) decision to stop support on steam all together and become an oculus store exclusive you would not complain ? Steam users should just suck it up and stay on horizons Ok fair enough. If you say so that is your opinion.
I am not on about legally I am on about the users right to complain if they feel they are being short changed.
And basically said the same, They said they were listening but had no answers.
Sure everyone is free to complain, but never the less there is a lot of talk of entitlement on this thread. Entitled to a definitive answer from FDev on VR, entitled to expect that VR continues to be supported etc.
Exactly
Ok. So, everyone says "Odyssey" and "Odyssey wont support VR" and what I want to know is.. do they mean the game features specific to Odyssey, or do they mean the launcher/executable will not support VR. Because, it could go either way, from what Frontier have actually said.
That's why I quoted "at launch" as I though people were confusing the meaning; when a game is release/sold vs when you start it from the "launch"er.
Frontier's usage of "at launch" is the former, when the game is released/sold. This does not necessarily imply the launcher/executable won't support VR (tho they might mean that) but it does imply that the Odyssey features won't support VR.
This is the real Q.
Can we start Elite from the Odyssey launcher and fly our ship in VR?
Given FDevs track record of "transparency" (or more like the absolute lack of it), cancelled features and false promises - its more than likely that it's going to end up like the PSVR situation.
Not coming. Ever. :|
If Elite went VR only there'd be an equal amount of entitled 2d users rightly demanding 2d be continued. The difference is the VR users would be agreeing with them and not criticizing them for being upset. The "I'm alright Jack" crowd should best keep quiet.
I don't think it's entitlement. More like expected to be VR and disappointed that it isn't.
Sure there are probably a few that feel entitled, but I doubt most do. From what I can see it's just disappointment.
This has been clearly answered ...
Edit: linky for the second quote, I've linked the first in a previous post:
ANNOUNCEMENT - Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Announcement
Tim Can you clarify Frontiers position regarding VR please? 1, With the new Cobra engine additions and elite dangerous Code refresh, are Frontier removing VR entirely for all expansions? 2, Or, stating that ““Currently, Elite Dangerous: Odyssey will not be VR-compatible at launch”” are the...
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Pay attention to my posts when you read: I said intent, not promises. Something like "We have technical difficulties in continuing supporting VR for the upcoming expansion. VR has been an integral part of ED since release. We will try our best to implement VR support after the initial release to let non VR players enjoy Odyssey without further delays".
That I would have accepted and made me feel like I want to support them.
No, because I have Oculus
The good news is, what you describe is basically impossible because it's in no-one's best interest.Steam users will be able to buy Odyssey, so I'm not sure where you're getting the first part from?
Yes, people can complain, but they would be wrong to assert they have been "short changed" because they've got everything they paid for. They did not pay for access to future expansions. They can be miffed, but they cannot be "short changed".
Note that Frontier cannot make a future expansion a store exclusive without providing it, for free, to a lifetime expansion holder - otherwise they really would be violating an agreement. This is the difference between buying a game, and buying something like the lifetime expansion pass.. and why it was so damn expensive!
No, it has not. For all the reasons I mentioned in my earlier reply.
From my point of view they have done the best they can to convey their intent to support VR.
If I was you I would assume that launching Odyssey from the launcher will not be possible in VR. That's what I am doing until I know otherwise.Exactly
Ok. So, everyone says "Odyssey" and "Odyssey wont support VR" and what I want to know is.. do they mean the game features specific to Odyssey, or do they mean the launcher/executable will not support VR. Because, it could go either way, from what Frontier have actually said.
That's why I quoted "at launch" as I though people were confusing the meaning; when a game is release/sold vs when you start it from the "launch"er.
Frontier's usage of "at launch" is the former, when the game is released/sold. This does not necessarily imply the launcher/executable won't support VR (tho they might mean that) but it does imply that the Odyssey features won't support VR.
This is the real Q.
Can we start Elite from the Odyssey launcher and fly our ship in VR?
And when they mean launch, I'm pretty sure they mean the initial release of Odyssey.
If I was them, I would have another version when you buy Odyssey called horizons plus or Odyssey VR version. It gives you all the stuff in Odyssey which won't be an issue in VR like landing on planets and driving your SRV and any others that won't be an issue and the rest is disabled until you log into Odyssey.
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