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[Ralph Vargr]

I'm regretting 2020...

 

[Ian Skippy]

Not what I meant at all
Was simply trying to state that the more crime = more incidents with the police. Perhaps there could be an explanation there.
I'm not blaming anything on race here at all!

Well I guess that concludes my "great contribution" to this thread, I knew I was going to regret it.

No offense was intended, but these protests are not about how African-American criminals shouldn't be punished. Every criminal should be punished, and nearly everyone agrees to that. If ten gingers commit a crime, ten gingers should be arrested.

But there is an endless pile of evidence that some demographics are facing the full force of illegal police brutality. We're talking about countless legal unarmed citizens being subjugated to authoritarian brutality; day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade.

This is an issue we should face now, it's as simple as that. Worth watching:

Source: https://youtu.be/zaD84DTGULo

 

[Sysmon]

No offense was intended, but these protests are not about how African-American criminals shouldn't be punished. Every criminal should be punished, and nearly everyone agrees to that. If ten gingers commit a crime, ten gingers should be arrested.

But there is an endless pile of evidence that some demographics are facing the full force of illegal police brutality. We're talking about countless legal unarmed citizens being subjugated to authoritarian brutality; day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade.

This is an issue we should face now, it's as simple as that. Worth watching:

Source: https://youtu.be/zaD84DTGULo

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[metatheurgist]

I'm going slightly off-topic here for a sec and discuss COVID19. While in most of the western world the first wave is long past us, cases are approximating zero and the countries are carefully open up, one brave gallic village western country defies this trend.

Second wave says hi.

More like still the first wave, slight impeded by half-hearted action.

It makes me wonder about the future. My inner vision is of Dallas from Alien going to visit Mother, and having his questions answered in Jacinda's calm Kiwi voice.

That would have been a very boring movie as Mother quickly routed the Nostromo away from danger and a classic scifi movie and iconic female character would never have been born. I imagine Ms Adern would have a conflict about stifling the rise of Ripley. So much would change about that film if Weyland was a NZ company, the two mechanics would've been Kiwi, speaking Te Reo and not complaining about how they get less shares because they live in a fair society. A totally different movie.

 

[Patrick_68000]

I'm going slightly off-topic here for a sec and discuss COVID19. While in most of the western world the first wave is long past us, cases are approximating zero and the countries are carefully open up, one brave gallic village western country defies this trend.

Second wave says hi.

WHO says the epidemic is getting worse around the world.

404,000 deaths, on average 100,000 new infections per day.

"The biggest threat now is letting go", adding that, “most people in the world are in the world still susceptible to be infected".

 

[Patrick_68000]

I'm regretting 2020...

Indeed, 2021 may be worse.

 

[Leper Messiah]

I forget where I saw it or who said it but in regards to China it was said they're not arguing with each other what pronoun to use to describe someone. They're getting ready to be the 21st century's global superpower and it just so happens America has a leader also working towards that aim.

Is that because as a society China is incredibly undiverse, under the boot FAR more than the western world, and also racist....I read a Star Wars poster had John Boyega's character removed...but hey commies so they're ok and MUCH better than the West...rolls eyes.

 

[Leper Messiah]

And why are you going to show me videos of people doing their normal work? You say it as if being a good police officer is something exceptional, they take an oath to protect and serve, we pay them to do their job, not to earn merit. Call me what you want, it is true that I have never liked the attitude of many polices and authoritarian figures, but if you see some behavior of the police and the American judicial system normal, I think that the one with a problem is you.
Normalizing those behaviors or seeing them as "isolated cases" could demonstrate how unhealthy their society is. (Hundreds of American programs run through our TV that fill only with crimes and murders, that's a sick thing)
The fact that most are also racists is just one more addition. In Spain there is also racism and there are also bad policemen, but thanks to the fact that we can still use some instruments to combat that and if someone is killed, believe me there will be problems.

but in united states? Who says something to the world's greatest power? They do what they want, and the worst thing is that they try to set an example and sometimes Europe takes them as an example, but their system is rotten.

I still think angrily of the Kelly Thomas case, and since none of those people stepped into a jail, they were supported by lawyers, doctors, police chiefs, prosecutors ... how can you defend something like that? (In the video, if I'm not mistaken, you can almost see how they apply the taser even in their lower parts, 6 people looking and hitting, that brother, it is pure and harsh torture, and if you do not react to that, you are as sick as those people who did nothing)

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn-YYGQi2Eo




"if united states saw what united states is doing in the united states,
united states would invade united states to liberate united states from the tyranny of united states "

No because people like you EXPECT humans to be exceptional JUST because of their job. and if a few fail you label them ALL bad, hugely disprespectful and to be frank mate, people like you are PART of the problem.

And erm that video PROVES MY POINT, I've never denied police brutailty exist.....the vid you post is of a WHITE mentally ill homeless white man...I mean I'm just dropping the mike on you here. It's NOT ABOUT RACE, TACKLE POLICE BRUTALITY EVERYWHERE NOT JUST AGAINST BLACKS.

DISCRIMINATION KNOWS NO COLOUR

 

[Leper Messiah]

No its because it has a totalitarian government that stifles all decent.

I said that "under the boot".....strange how I usually see Antifa protesters with chinese flags!! Cretins.

 

[Leper Messiah]

by the way, in Spain we have also shown solidarity with Floyd and the cause

oh excellent social distancing there , slow claps, cretins.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

I spend my time isolating.

 

[Leper Messiah]

It has been done in the past in the USA:

"... In 2012, with crime rampant in Camden, New Jersey, the city disbanded its police department and replaced it with a new force that covered Camden County. Compton, California, took the same step in 2000, shifting its policing to Los Angeles County. "

source: https://apnews.com/be62ee3dee3094f2ecf8f841a198aadd

Interesting read, I agree fully that some Police forces are corrupt (not just racist) and this sort of idea has seen success, It's looks like it's more about weeding out who really controls the Police in an area if they are corrupt. This benefits everyone.

 

[Leper Messiah]

However if for years you only promote hatred, superiority , towards other races, ideologies ... repeating the same rubbish speech, you get what you have,and it's reaching its lowest point.

Communism is bad for all that as well it's not just the preserve of Fascism.

 

[Leper Messiah]

It is completely going over your head.

The topic of white privilege is a general term applied to a group. You are looking at a specific instance. They are not the same, because a grain of sand is not a desert.

Your inability to empathise with the problems faced by others is merely part of the problem. It is how racism works.
Whether or not you had a household appliance does not compare to life risk by sudden police action that people live with 24 hours a day. Please do not continue along this path, it is ludicrous..

I'm a nonwhite minority in a black majority country. And I have been arrested for that. Jailed for that.

You simply have no comprehension of the issue. Read some more. Think some more. Your personal suffering grants you the experience needed for empathy.

No sadly you are completely missing my point:

"applied to a group"....well the only group in that stement is "white" so all whites then...SMH

Discimination is bad ...ALL of it, WHEREVER it is and WHOEVER suffers it. Are you and it seems many are raising Race discrimination ABOVE all other disciminations? Above disability discrimination? Sex discrimination? Because if you ARE doing that and "white privilge" is a statment that DOES do that then anyone agreeing with it is NO better than the racists.

I HAVE suffered discrimination I can empathise BETTER than most because of that, but because I'm white I'm privileged and can't possibly empathise...do one.

That phrase is BAD Mkay, deeply insulting and IS a RACIST statement itself.

 

[Oldviboy]

Communism is bad for all that as well it's not just the preserve of Fascism.

I have never lived in communism,I do not know what to tell you, but yes in capitalism and democracy, and it is not as good as you paint it, tell me one reason why you hate communism.

Spain has been without deaths for weeks, so we have the right to demonstrate for a good cause, not like other demonstrations made by the political right during the pandemic, against "repressive measures" or "communists", of the most pathetic things you could have seen in my country.

 

[Leper Messiah]

One of the few good things about the Vietnam War was that it confronted the US military head on with the problem- and it was proactive. Training on racial relations was mandatory in Basic. Repeated again for me in OTS.

Was it racism though, during the WW1 Officers were drawn from the upper class in the UK and if they suffered shell shock and ran were hospitalised, the "grunts" were from the working class, if they ran they were shot.....more "white privilege" of course.

It's not about "race" it's about "class" and "wealth".

 

[Oldviboy]

Communism is bad for all that as well it's not just the preserve of Fascism.

I recommend you Oliver Stone's "Untold History of America", it may open your eyes a little.

 

[Leper Messiah]

That it's almost impossible to imagine this situation playing out the same way if Floyd was white would certainly be in agreement with a long standing pattern of demonstrable systemic racism, and was obviously going to be viewed in such a context.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas

So impossible to imaging yet true?

Sorry but you're going on ignore as you just deny basic facts.

 

[Leper Messiah]

I recommend you Oliver Stone's "Untold History of America", it may open your eyes a little.

I suggest you read the history of humanity and how the poor are shat on by the rich for Millenia, how long did it take for the poor in Europe to get an education etc etc. We need to get away from the US centric view of "history". 400 years doesn't compare to a couple thousand (and that's just using the christian calander).

 

[Ian Skippy]

You can bet your sweet behind that the moment police is reduced to zero, other power factors in any society will fill the vacuum, and not the kind you would like to fill it.

Lysan, the 'defund the police' movement is not about removing police. That is what fox news wants you to be scared about, but its not true. What it is about is to reduce funding to the police, limit the scope of their dljob description and move those responsibilities elsewhere.

For example, a lot of issues are caused by mental illness, addiction and the likes. Most countries tackle those issues directly, instead of militarizing the police and letting them figure it out. So the idea is to maybe not spend a lot of money on creating an ever more powerful police force, but instead invest that money in mental healthcare and such. This, btw, has also been requested by many cops themselves for decades.

It isn't about scary black anarchists coming for you. It's about implementing solutions the rest of the modern world already uses, instead of just continually using more and more force. Not every problem is a nail, and you can't fix this by buying bigger and bigger hammers. So defend Big Hammer, and give some of that to screwdrivers and ductape.