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hairychris

hairychris
killminster said:
By results, isn't it reasonable to assume that results for the Calders means money rather than a game?

I would have thought that they'd have made sure whatever money comes in (and it is still a lot) they get their cut first, then the lights are kept on and whatever is left over goes on "making the game".
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Well quite. It won't be overly cynical to wonder under what conditions they can extract money from CIG.

As I said, the next year will be very interesting esp. if we see SQ42 as a released product. If that tanks, well, all bets are off I'd imagine!

(Tippis got there before me but we make much the same point!)

EDIT: For clarity I think that SQ42 will tank, or rather not make anywhere near as much money as CIG needs it to even if it has relatively decent figures. It needs to sell millions to justify development costs, and just for fun the day-1 customers already own a copy.
 
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Mole HD

Mole HD
MTBFritz said:
Debatable.

If you list the issue at hand then start talking about other games who are equally bad or even worse and even sprinkle in stuff like "then its not so bad" then it very much is a justification for allowing or accepting such predatory or shady business practices. That others do it too isnt the question. Sometimes giving a different perspective helps. And when I cry about 60 bucks being a lot of money then showing me how much I dumped into other games 14bucks/month over 10 years certainly does that trick.

The amount of money oftentimes isnt the issue either but the return value for it. Other games having a similar investment prize do provide more in return and if its only a released game. But usually playtime and options. People have excessive expectations based on the prize, the development time, the total funding sum and of course all the glorious made-up reports about non-existing or unsupported gameplay. When you claim that your pre-alpha of choice already offers more content and entertainment then already released AAA games thats a really tall bar to pass. And the fact that only certain individuals with a rather unique combination of preferences and personailty quirks will endorse Star Citizen is a pretty plain answer for the amount of criticism SC receives.

Oh and its also great for salt miners ^^
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I meant nobody in here is trying to defend it...whatever the faithful do in their spare time doesn't concern me much since I don't see many of them about in here that often ;)
 

PiLhEaD

PiLhEaD
sovapid said:
CIG needs to sue over the possible name confusion. 🤣
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Who else here remembers Sky trying to stop HG calling their game 'No Man's Sky'?

The 'problem' being that all big companies will litigate anyone getting within an inch of their brand name, as if they don't the next case will be harder to prosecute.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
n4p0l3on said:
for all we know, the Calders could've bailed out already... couldn't they?
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That would be strange them doing that not long after exercising their option to take another 4%. Its more likely they are standing over CR pushing for results.

However, if we assume they saw the results from the free fly and were not impressed (or maybe something they saw even earlier), they might have the ability to pull out, and maybe that's why CIG are pumping ship sales so hard, to recoup from having to pay Calder back.

I don't believe it though. My guess is Calder has some sort of agreement whereby he takes a slice of the income from ship sales and the free fly was a nice little earner for him.
 

hairychris

hairychris
Agony_Aunt said:
That would be strange them doing that not long after exercising their option to take another 4%. Its more likely they are standing over CR pushing for results.

However, if we assume they saw the results from the free fly and were not impressed (or maybe something they saw even earlier), they might have the ability to pull out, and maybe that's why CIG are pumping ship sales so hard, to recoup from having to pay Calder back.

I don't believe it though. My guess is Calder has some sort of agreement whereby he takes a slice of the income from ship sales and the free fly was a nice little earner for him.
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Slice of income instead of slice of profit? Hmm. They'd want a decent return on the 50M upfront.

If so then the clock is very much ticking.
 

ECity

ECity
Someone's fleet carrier. 🤣

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Navigare Necesse Est

Navigare Necesse Est
Agony_Aunt said:
That would be strange them doing that not long after exercising their option to take another 4%. Its more likely they are standing over CR pushing for results.

However, if we assume they saw the results from the free fly and were not impressed (or maybe something they saw even earlier), they might have the ability to pull out, and maybe that's why CIG are pumping ship sales so hard, to recoup from having to pay Calder back.

I don't believe it though. My guess is Calder has some sort of agreement whereby he takes a slice of the income from ship sales and the free fly was a nice little earner for him.
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Is that even legal?
 

Asp Explorer

Asp Explorer
Skizomeuh said:
Why do you think all these shell companies were made for?
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It takes an extraordinary level of talent, ability and acumen to oversee such unbridled magnificence as the Vision. Specialised corporate entities allow specific fine curation of every aspect of the BDSSE to fully optimise delivery, and maintain strategic delivery from a position of strength.

There are very few developers and executives even capable of leadership in such a demanding and agile role.

The compensation, of course, has to reflect that scarcity, reward demonstrated ability, and maintain velocity in spearheading the BDSSE as the most advanced software and societal project that has ever been contemplated by humankind, that will truly save PC gaming.

You really ought to buy an Idris.
 

VR Golgot

VR Golgot
n4p0l3on said:
for all we know, the Calders could've bailed out already... couldn't they?
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Through what process though?

They upped their stake back in Jan 2018. What vehicle have they had for getting their combined cash + profits back? (Supposedly $46m + $17.25m raised in total now between Calders and the other minority buy in).

Sluicing the entirety of the miraculous funding chart's claimed annual revenue into their pockets could maybe do it, but there are the slight issues of the tracker being pretty untrustworthy (is it including the Calders investment in a smoothed fashion, for a start, given its notable uptick since their arrival ;)), and the issue of how CIG would pay their 500 claimed worker bees ;). (Who they have seemingly paying during a crossover period, going by companies house filings for UK/Germany. And, like, the constant river of perplexed young dev faces on the streams ;))

I'm sure there are lots of theoretical ways they could get their cash out. (Sell the shares on to some mugs. Seize boardroom control, sell the IP, turn the dev houses into mobile phone game machines, etc). I don't think we've seen an overt one yet though have we?

SQ54 does still look like the more obvious (if deeply unlikely) route to payback. Or ignominy.


EDIT: I mean I dunno, I'm no shell game whizz. I'm sure there are ways to walk money out the back door. And a private buyout of the shares wouldn't necessarily be declared for ages would it? The buy-in still gives me the impression that they're in sunk cost territory more than anything though ;)
 
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LanceLord

LanceLord
Cotic said:
And CIG's lack of delivery for the physical items in some of their kickstarter tiers that people paid for 7 years ago?
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The same place where Superman hides his clothes. You're preaching to the choir bro 😂

Cotic said:
People that pay for these other games are paying as they become available. It's not some downpayment and they are not waiting years to get what they paid for.
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That's just it. It's all a matter of semantics. 🤑 CI has released a glorified HD tech demo. Which by all aspects, is clearly considered a "game" to the devout fan base faithful.
So quite logically, any and all existing DLC released by CI must be "new features" for said "game".

You'd save yourself quite a bit of future potential botox brow surgery if you stopped stressing yourself out over the technicalities you know. Especially with official words like "preorder DLC" and phrases like "years in advance". And instead, simply embraced this profound and unending conundrum that is the marketing of the 'Verse.... :LOL:
 
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