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Mole HD

Mole HD
Agony_Aunt said:
As a smoker i know its bad and i haven't got it under control or have it figured out. Addiction is a nasty beast and hard to beat. I've been "quitting" smoking for about the last half a year. Quitting and failing.
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I continue to smoke simply because I want to...no other reason than that. It frustrates my doctor, annoys my wife since I had stopped for 9 years and recently decided I wished to smoke again. Like everything else...yes I'm aware it's a form of self destructive behaviour and now socially unacceptable but it remains my decision given all of that ;)

I can't blame peer pressure...since none of my friends or family smoke, but the day I ever give in to any form of peer pressure will be the day I start to dribble soup from the corner of my mouth and need someone else to help me get off the toilet. Like previously, I'll probably get bored with it and simply stop like I have done at various periods since my late 20's when I started smoking. It may well kill me...but an entire adult life spent at war failed to do that so I'm not too concerned.
 
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LanceLord

LanceLord
amigacooke said:
Crowd funding seemed like a great idea at the time. It gave an illusion of control to the 'backer' and removed any vestige of financial responsibility from the developers. How it's still working now is a bit more of a mystery.

Looking forward to the announcement of beta for Squadron 42, can't be long now surely?
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The thing is it isn't a great idea.

It IS a brilliant idea when dev integrity, leadership, accountability and competent management is exercised from the top. And enforced down throughout the entire organization culture and employee workflow.

Successfully released and popular franchises the likes of ED, Everspace, Outer Wilds, and Kingdom Come Deliverance are the living epitomes of that.
 

PiLhEaD

PiLhEaD
Viajero said:
...I would asume that when the Calders bought units of the US LLC the Operating Agreement had to be ammended somehow. And I would imagine that would be the place for them to inject any return conditions, if any, or any other kind of milestone targets etc. In addition to pure LLC operating agreements you can also have all kinds of revenue based finance agreements that impose certain returns irrespective of the profit margins. The flexibility in this area for LLCs is huge.
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I'd be very surprised if Calders haven't put in place exacting contract clauses. Santa they are not!
 

Tippis

Tippis
Ca$hback said:
Forget it. People are so offended that I'm enjoying my experience. Even the mods are picking on me. Bye guys.
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No-one is offended by your enjoying the experience.
No-one remotely cares that you're enjoying yourself.

People care that you're repeating the same largely disproven speaking points that we've been hearing form the citizenry for the better part of a decade about how SC is some special and unique beacon of hope for PC gaming, when the simple fact of the matter is that it's a hodge-podge of poorly implemented derivative ideas that have all done before, either vastly better or once and then abandoned because they were proven to be inherently bad ideas. Your enjoyment isn't a factor or even relevant argument in any of this.

At most, that's the source of the eye-rolling: the naïve idea that entertainment would work as an argument. If all you have is “…but SC is fun” then you need to sharpen your arsenal of things to say in its favour because all that means is that in the pantheon of things, SC is about on par with a vaguely rudely shaped rock. If you come into the discussion of the massive continued malfeasance, wholesale incompetence, occasional borderline criminal behaviour, and crippling and absolute inability to deliver anything with that as the only thing to offer in its favour, you're going to get reamed — people aren't offended by your enjoyment; they're facepalming at the weakness of your non-argument.
 

Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
Mole HD said:
I still maintain that enjoying the gameplay, what little of it there is, is is totally irrelevant of 's business practises, company nepotism and financial mismanagement...I'm more than aware of all of this, as are many others... but it doesn't prevent us from occasionally enjoying what precious little gameplay there is in Star Citizen.
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Fair enough.

And I maintain that CiG’s business practices, nepotism, and financial mismanagement, combined with Hollywood Accounting, is why there is so little game play, despite over $300 million of funding, and nearly nine-years of “development.” There are many games out there with just as much potential as Star Citizen, which have died aborning due to lack of funding.

If I had that a lot of discretionary income, and knew about Chris Robert’s and CIGs record, I’d rather direct it towards far more worthy endeavors.
 

ZeeWolf

ZeeWolf
When I read all the "stretch goals" and promises of the early Kickstarter and subsequent years before apparantly it changed into perpetual crowdfunding and forever Alpha, for some reason I'm reminded of those "schemes" maybe 20 odd years ago where someone would post a leaflet through the door saying there would be a sale at a local village church hall with massive reductions of surplus stock and loads of examples like portable televisions or answering machines or whatever, sometimes you'd even see them temporarily set up shop in your local shopping mall.

If you went along expecting a bargain(and I did drag my poor Dad along to one), they'd hold up "mystery bags" which they would hand out to plants or stooges in the crowd in exchange for £5 as long as they promised not to open them, they'd ask one of the stooges to open the bag and it would contain something really nice like a portable TV or something expensive. Then they'd do another set of "mystery bags" and everyone would go nuts trying to buy one - those mystery bags contained cheap pens and went to actual paying customers for a fiver or a tenner and they would wrap them up good so they could ask anyone who started to open the box to leave and stuff like that. Eventually they'd sell off a load of junk but never especially cheap, often using stooges in the crowd to give the impression that certain items were going for a steal.

I don't know why it reminds me of that, but it does. What it became though, is something more like MLM schemes where you have an annual event/show and everyone gets together to believe in the product, see Chris Roberts on stage showing off the latest dream film then get your friends to join your corp use your referal code keep putting money in etc. I've had friends who've done similar schemes, I once went along to an event evening with a friend and they showed these movies of people who were supposed to have become rich peddling alo-vera to their friends and family or something and were all now apparantly, happily living in private yachts. Not a million miles away from the 'Origin 890' video.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
ZeeWolf said:
When I read all the "stretch goals" and promises of the early Kickstarter and subsequent years before apparantly it changed into perpetual crowdfunding and forever Alpha, for some reason I'm reminded of those "schemes" maybe 20 odd years ago where someone would post a leaflet through the door saying there would be a sale at a local village church hall with massive reductions of surplus stock and loads of examples like portable televisions or answering machines or whatever, sometimes you'd even see them temporarily set up shop in your local shopping mall.

If you went along expecting a bargain(and I did drag my poor Dad along to one), they'd hold up "mystery bags" which they would hand out to plants or stooges in the crowd in exchange for £5 as long as they promised not to open them, they'd ask one of the stooges to open the bag and it would contain something really nice like a portable TV or something expensive. Then they'd do another set of "mystery bags" and everyone would go nuts trying to buy one - those mystery bags contained cheap pens and went to actual paying customers for a fiver or a tenner and they would wrap them up good so they could ask anyone who started to open the box to leave and stuff like that. Eventually they'd sell off a load of junk but never especially cheap, often using stooges in the crowd to give the impression that certain items were going for a steal.

I don't know why it reminds me of that, but it does. What it became though, is something more like MLM schemes where you have an annual event/show and everyone gets together to believe in the product, see Chris Roberts on stage showing off the latest dream film then get your friends to join your corp use your referal code keep putting money in etc. I've had friends who've done similar schemes, I once went along to an event evening with a friend and they showed these movies of people who were supposed to have become rich peddling alo-vera to their friends and family or something and were all now apparantly, happily living in private yachts. Not a million miles away from the 'Origin 890' video.
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Oh gods, i remember those! We were on holiday with my dad, i was a kid, and he started bidding. I said to him "Dad, aren't these a scam?" and he said "Yes, they are, and when i win, ill go and have a word with them"

By the way, my dad was a policeman.

There is a saying, a policeman is never off duty.

No idea what he said to them, but they weren't there the next day. Also a nice carriage clock appeared in my parents luggage that I don't recall them buying.....
 

Number2

Number2
Tippis said:
No-one is offended by your enjoying the experience.
No-one remotely cares that you're enjoying yourself.

People care that you're repeating the same largely disproven speaking points that we've been hearing form the citizenry for the better part of a decade about how SC is some special and unique beacon of hope for PC gaming, when the simple fact of the matter is that it's a hodge-podge of poorly implemented derivative ideas that have all done before, either vastly better or once and then abandoned because they were proven to be inherently bad ideas. Your enjoyment isn't a factor or even relevant argument in any of this.

At most, that's the source of the eye-rolling: the naïve idea that entertainment would work as an argument. If all you have is “…but SC is fun” then you need to sharpen your arsenal of things to say in its favour because all that means is that in the pantheon of things, SC is about on par with a vaguely rudely shaped rock. If you come into the discussion of the massive continued malfeasance, wholesale incompetence, occasional borderline criminal behaviour, and crippling and absolute inability to deliver anything with that as the only thing to offer in its favour, you're going to get reamed — people aren't offended by your enjoyment; they're facepalming at the weakness of your non-argument.
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I care, which is one more than "No-one." Your statement ("No-one remotely cares that you're enjoying yourself") is incorrect- QED.

(not sure what QED means, it sounds clever despite being just 3 letter of the alphabet)
 
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ECity

ECity
Mole HD said:
...as of yet, I haven't quite worked out exactly why that is considering you watch and follow Star Citizen more closely than most backers I know...
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As I've explained, it's like Bitconnect, etc. Back in the Usenet days I posted a lot on talk.origins because the creationists were so stupid and deceived. They were entertaining.
 
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